tayara mechanici wrote:

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Firstly 380 i think India is quite a liberal society and airing views on safety issues is encouraged.  And i've worked at BOM airport where plenty of Shainas will tell you that in pvt airlines ''Pilot Ka kanpati pe ghoda rakha aur bola jahaz le ja, snag Techlog me maat likh'', its all adoloscent talk but done by grown-up Engineers.

The safety record of AI / IC collectively or individually is of utmost importance to Indians and the travelling public in India. The 2 are not only run on Tax payers money but also have a history of fatal accidents. The lack of safety and the lowering of engg standards doesn't augur well for both the airlines, as they are considered the flag carriers too. I've been a part of AI and am fully aware of the work culture, pls don't shoot off about IC being eons better then AI. The past incidents of repeated IFShutdowns prove otherwise. And since they have been around for long, are expected to set a benchmark among the airlines in India for safety standards. Sadly the management and the work force is filled with unscruplous lot (as cougar would say RC, Parsi and Madrasi, add to this Ghati Bua and Jai Bhim). Shout me down if you want to but have a look at the number of Occurences concerning these 2 airlines, there have been inumerrable number of threads about the state of the Cabin Interiors of these 2 airlines, There is a post on why ANZ would not give their a/c on lease without their own Engg support. None of this is encouraging for Indias image as a Technology driven economy.

On the Question of the pvt airlines they get away with relatively smaller crime because AI / IA get away with murder, no point in the pot calling the kettle black. Beyond the whole issue lies a larger cause i.e. The economy of India and the image of its aviation industry. All it takes is one crash - the worst nightmare of any Airline CEO, though nothing ruffles the AI / IA CEO or the DGCA.

All of this also brings into question the quality of journalism within India, i am sure you know some of them personnally and can question their sense. As far as my sense or nonsense goes, i've tried to prove it to myself by working among the best practise in the world rather than spend the rest of my life in AI / IA licking the bosses for some crumbs of promotion or postings based on my caste, whether i was a Brahmin or a SC/ST. One thing is for sure when i hang my boots i'll be proud that i walked out of the mess called the State Airline of India, be it AI / IA.

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First of all i haven't even mentioned about what grown-up enggs do- i tried pointing out to what an airline can do. Take a small example- order a credit card from a private bank, spend abt 15k-20k on it and cancel the card and refuse to pay the amount... the bank will definately call you up requesting you to pay up the amount and if you don't do it still... then you know whose gonna come to your place for paisa vasooli.
Keeping that matter aside and coming to the safety records of both the airlines, if you can just guess what would be the stuff like when your flight gets delayed for hours and hours due to technical snag and many a times and then you're told to board your flight... do you even know if the snag has been rectified or not? Might be partial rectification just enough to take the pax safely to their destination on earth. And as far as the reference of "adoloscent talk but done by grown-up Engineers" is taken, i support those engg who keep a ghoda on the kanpatti of the pilot who wants to delay the flight just because of a snag that might mention "flight tooperate with half load" even if there is no problem in it.

My flight at DXB was to be grounded due to some snag against which the textbooks says the flight must fly with half load and the pilot wanted to show his attitude or wanted a break- i seriously dont know but then my father and the station engg spoke to the pilot or rather kept a ghoda on the kanpatti of the pilot and he eventually agreed to fly. Such snags can have no problem and the same aircraft can continue more 5 legs with that snag.

No engg would ever like to sign an aircraft with a snag even if he has the slightest doubt. Its a matter of your job and the life of those people on board. No wonders only humans sign aircrafts and not robots- senseless

karatecatman wrote:

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NZ has just forgotten that AI is one of the world's Oldest and most respected users of the 747 series, and am glad AI finally told NZ to just beat it.          

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Lets not get too touchy and feely about member observations, my statement was based on personal experiences with AI, whilst in employment and after. I gave the example of ANZ because it was current and was quoted as a 3rd party observation - apologies for quoting it. Anyway i was no way hinting at demeaning India or Indians. Infact in another thread i am accused of being a Indophile, detached from ground reality in India.

I've travelled on AI aircrafts where the Toilet door has fallen onto me out of the door tracks, i tried to slave it back into place but the next guy had the same exp. The water was not serviced too on this same flt, guess the predicament, toilet door cannot be locked, toilet can't be flushed. Surely there were fewer people peeing as there was less water consumed, though fizzy drinks were being downed by the gallons. The bloody aircraft was stinking all over as a result of this broken toilet door. In the event of a flt through turbulence this loose door could have caused damage to the occupants.

In AI / IA cabin maintenance is a seperate dept and was called muncipality (i doubt if it has changed) keeping in line with our castist attitude. Outside of India, the airlines i have worked on Cabin Interiors is tracked by the CEOs office. There is rep from the Inflt svc coming down before heavy maint to highlight areas requiring repair, cleaning, maint and after maint they closely inspect the cabin. Its the worst nightmare of the Check Engineer. In the end it all makes sense because that is all the fare paying customer sees and interfaces with your aircraft.  

the_380 wrote:

against which the textbooks says the flight must fly with half load and the pilot wanted to show his attitude or wanted a break- i seriously dont know but then my father

You've tried well to hide the tutoring or is it ghost writing unfortunately it is a poor attempt, even my 5yr old daughter knows that daddies books are called MANUALS and not TEXTBOOKS, i am sure a 18yr old aviation entusiast would know far better. The rest of what you have to say once again exhibits your scruples.

tayara mechanici wrote:

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NZ has just forgotten that AI is one of the world's Oldest and most respected users of the 747 series, and am glad AI finally told NZ to just beat it.          

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Lets not get too touchy and feely about member observations, my statement was based on personal experiences with AI,  

Doesn't change ANYTHING, irrespective of whether it is an observation made while in or out of employment with the said organisation. NZ can't ignore and shouldn't have ignored AI's longer innings with the 747 series. NZ's maintenance record isn't exactly ISO9001.    

On toilets, AI is perhaps the only airline in the world that screens "a potty video" as part of inflight briefings, on how to use a toilet and keeping it clean, and which has considerably brought down the percentage of incidents of the kind mentioned. 80% of the problems of falling doors, p*** filled and overflowing interiors and much worse are the creation of passengers. 

There is a thread in the Non-aviation section on this subject --- toilet useage in India.