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It's not actually the fault of maintenance.


Aero Engines is not acting on IA grievances tiil some money owed to them ( a few crores) is released.



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tayara mechanici wrote: This is absolutely ludicrous. Someone needs to ask Q in INDIA. Ludicrous yes. Suprising, NO! This is what can be expected from the govt, where no one can be fired, no one can be made to work if they don't want to, everyone has to bow before the minister and his family, etc. The only solution is to completely privatize the airline, nothing else (merger or any other thing) can help. Maybe privatize after merging, but get the govt. out of running an airline.

These PSUs are causing grave damage to the country. I wish someone could analyse the damage caused by these PSUs to the national economy by way of direct and indirect loss to the tax payers. I don't how long do Indians watch their future being bled away by this lot. AI is on its own course of blowing money, IA is now evident to all, The pvt airlines are slowing clambering over each other like ants in a hole. Whereas the airlines in ME & SE asia along with Airlanka are having a ball at India's cost. 


 



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Nimish wrote:

 Maybe privatize after merging, but get the govt. out of running an airline.

How many political parties in India have a dedicated Aviation spokesperson. Someone who helps formulate the parties aviation policy ? 0. Additionally how many so called aviation correspondents in major dailies in India come up with their owm analysis atleast once a month, apart from printing press releases that appear here before it does on their newspaper ? 0.


This is where i was talking of the paradigm shift in my ''SITE RELATED'' post, i am sure there is scope to engage every worthwhile party in India. Regional or National, i am sure they will gain by being members here.And their prescence will attract more qualified discussion.


In a democracy the only way you bring about change is through discussion, we have to move the debate on pvt'n, from these parties union affiliation to a larger national interest. I am sure every little helps towards this.


And if you don't try you don't know.


 


 



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www.thehindu.co.in


Technical snag grounds Agatti flight


August 16, 2006


A Correspondent
NEDUMBASSERY: Indian cancelled its sole Agatti service from the Cochin International Airport for the second consecutive day on Tuesday.
The flight was grounded owing to an error in its high-frequency communication system on Monday morning.
Efforts to rectify the snag were continuing after a team of experts was flown in from Delhi
on Tuesday.
Airline officials on Monday said that two additional sorties would be undertaken on Tuesday
to clear the backlog. The airlines would now operate two services on Wednesday.
The flight was over-booked on Monday and two passengers had to be offloaded before the flight was eventually cancelled following the snag.
The passengers were moved into hotels.
According to sources, the aircraft had been operating with a few defects, including the HF
system error, reported under the Minimum Equipment List forthe last one week.
It was said the commander of the aircraft had repeatedly brought the problems to the notice
of the authorities. Till recently, the airline stationed an additional Dornier at
the airport as a standby for enabling uninterrupted service.
The airline withdrew the aircraft and took it back to New Delhi.
However, Patrick Xavier, airline Station Manager, said it was merely a temporary
arrangement.



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Source in IA says (sent as email on Aug 18, 2006) that IA is looking for 2 A320s on dry lease, preferrably with CFM56-5B engines. It is also looking to use them for high/very high altitude airfields (above 10,000 ft).   



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Whats this LEH or Khatmandu.


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Think China airports, and include Lhasa, and why not? Do you know how easy it is now, suddenly, to get a visa to visit China, including Tibet?


There is also some talk of direct connectivity from North East airports to Bangkok / Singapore / KL and Kathmandu, with possible China.


 



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Are you saying A320 ops to Lhasa.Any plans for IC.


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IC for Lhasa no way currently


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malik wrote:

Think China airports, and include Lhasa, and why not? Do you know how easy it is now, suddenly, to get a visa to visit China, including Tibet?





Hey Malik - any more details on the "easy to get Chinese visa" bit? Just curious in case I ever get a chance to visit the "middle kingdom"

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August 22, 2006,


Praful Patel said in the Rajya Sabha today that presently 10 A-320, one A-300, and one Dornier DO228 Aircraft of Indian Airlines and three B-737 and one ATR-42 aircraft of Alliance Air have been grounded. Only one B-737 aircraft operated by Alliance Air is grounded for unscheduled maintenance at Delhi and is awaiting repair kit from M/s, Boeing Company, USA, he said. Remaining aircraft are grounded for want of engines/scheduled maintenance.


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Hope they dont do the same stuff with the A330s to come

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http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/1960382.cms
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At least nine out of 58 Indian Airlines planes are, at this moment, grounded for want of maintenance and repairs. That, approximately, means one out of every six planes belonging to the airline is not flying today.


But Indian Airlines has, actually, reasons to feel happy about. For, back in March this year, 15 of its planes were not flying. Two months ago, an airline spokesperson said, that number was 14.


All the grounded planes are A-320s, say officials. When an A-320 is grounded, the airline loses about Rs 4 crore in revenue every month. So nine A-320s grounded for a month means a loss of about Rs 36 crore.


The spokesperson, however, countered the loss figure by saying seven of the 48 A-320s would not fly in normal circumstances.


But calculating the losses, admit industry insiders, is not so simple. Some of the A-320s the airline flies are leased and, the world over, there has been an upshot in lease rentals because of the growing demand for aircraft.


"The aircraft have not been flying for want of spares and routine maintenance checks and, though it is true that only 41 of the 48 aircraft are flying in normal circumstances, never before have so many aircraft been on the ground simultaneously for so long," an official admitted.


An airline spokesperson, however, said things were improving.


"One aircraft each is being added to the fleet every month and, so by December, we should be having the number of aircraft that we normally fly. Some engines are being sent abroad for overhaul as well," the official said.
The airline will also be leasing two A-320s. "There were some curtailments in the past when more aircraft were grounded. But now there are not so many cancellations," the official said.


But the impact has been felt on the ground and has been showing for the past few months, say officials. The morning Thiruvananthapuram-Delhi flight was discontinued due to shortage of aircraft and operating crew.


The flight, IC-167, operating on the Delhi-Mumbai-Thiruvananthapuram sector, now operates only on the Mumbai-Thiruvananthapuram sector. Some flights have also been curtailed on the Mumbai-Delhi sector. Aviation industry insiders said the effect of unavailability of aircraft had started showing; the share of Indian Airlines seats (in the total domestic market) declined to 24.1% in June from 28.4% in January this year.’’ But officials say there are more worried about the losses because of decreased utilisation. An A-320 should do at least 2,500 hours of flying every year for proper economic utilisation.


"The effect on the balance has to show despite our best efforts to make up for and minimise the losses," a senior official said.


"The effects of the huge ten-year delay on the part of the government in placing aircraft orders has also started to show on the Indian airlines’ operations. But the airline will be able to build its operations when the new aircraft start arriving from October as it has an excellent ground-support network across the country," he said, referring to the recent stand-off with Air Deccan for claiming the number two position in the Indian domestic skies. A DGCA market survey says Indian Airline’s share was 21.8% in June - marginally higher than Air Deccan’s 20.3%.



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http://www.thehindubusinessline.com/2006/09/26/stories/2006092600020700.htm


Ministry plans to review engg dept of AI, Indian


Ashwini Phadnis





Fleet grounded due to lack of engines leading to cancellation of flights




New Delhi , Sept. 25

With the schedules of both Air India and Indian getting affected due to engineering problems plaguing its fleet, the Ministry of Civil Aviation plans to review the engineering department of the two airlines.

"We have taken a serious view of the various incidents and will examine all the issues before deciding on what needs to be done," a senior Government official told Business Line.

Officials unhappy


The functioning of the engineering department of the two airlines was also raised at the Parliamentary Consultative Committee meeting held in Kolkata recently.

At the meeting, senior Government officials and several Members of Parliament expressed unhappiness at the functioning of the department.

While over the past few months, Indian has seen a portion of its fleet grounded due to lack of engines, AI aircraft have been involved in various incidents in the past few days that have forced it to cancel its regular flights.

AI officials maintain that only some of the aircraft in the fleet were giving trouble.

"The airline has a mixed fleet of owned and leased aircraft. The owned aircraft are functioning fine. However, there could be some issues with the leased aircraft.

The management is doing everything in its powers to ensure that these issues are sorted out and least inconvenience is caused to the passenger," a senior AI official said.

Problem with combi


The airline, however, admitted that there had been some problem with one particular aircraft, a Boeing 747-400 combi, that had been having trouble despite being certified by the manufacturer recently. "There were some disruptions in the past due to the grounding of this aircraft. We are taking remedial steps by sending aircraft in our fleet, including the leased Boeing 777 and Boeing 747 aircraft, abroad for overhaul," sources said.

Indian, too, faced similar problems as several of its aircraft were grounded thereby effectively reducing its fleet strength.

After a review meeting chaired by the Minister for Civil Aviation Minister, Mr Praful Patel, the airline decided to start sending engines abroad for overhauling.

The move is expected to help the airline have its entire fleet of more than 40 aircraft in operational condition by the year-end.



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Oh no - the previous post is all rubbish. IC can never do anything wrong. Ask Cougar - he'll tell you that the IC aircraft were down for months for "routine MX" work!

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@Nimish: Nobody said that IC is perfect. Just that IC is much much better than Air India.


Maintenance related issues do prop up and yes they should be avoided. But it happens to private carriers as well.


As things stand, and the minister is on record saying this, IC does not recv subsdy that is not available to other players. AI does.



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The Mx in IC is not to blame. They do their job neatly the truth is that govt hasn't cleared the bills intentionally and plans to do those now after pressure has increased.



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The Mx in IC is not to blame. They do their job neatly the truth is that govt hasn't cleared the bills intentionally and plans to do those now after pressure has increased.




What do u mean "INTENTIONALLY"??


I think this has to do with the old case of IAE engines not meeting promised economy figures. I think they had given a written commitment on this to the govt at the time of placing the order.


Is that understanding correct?


 



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the_380 wrote:


The Mx in IC is not to blame. They do their job neatly the truth is that govt hasn't cleared the bills intentionally and plans to do those now after pressure has increased.




What do u mean "INTENTIONALLY"??


I think this has to do with the old case of IAE engines not meeting promised economy figures. I think they had given a written commitment on this to the govt at the time of placing the order.


Is that understanding correct?


 




No the fact is different... its a matter related to bribes by some1 to some1 thats why supply of engine spares was delayed by IAE please understand it


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COUGAR wrote:


I think this has to do with the old case of IAE engines not meeting promised economy figures. I think they had given a written commitment on this to the govt at the time of placing the order.


Is that understanding correct?


 





I thought you said govt has nothing to do with the everday management of IA, how come the govt comes into the picture here.


And for you info performance guarantees have to be locked with penalties in the contracts, to be made binding and involves a 3rd party in the event of a claim. IAE is not some division of IAC that the GOI can threaten witholding payments and expect them to supply spares. Having said that once again this shows the abject lack of management skills within IA to forecast such an eventuality, Maint planning includes input from all Engg, Ops and Commercial. A complete breakdown of procedures, probably never was in the first place, has become evident with competition..........pathetic.



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