saurabhm_101 wrote:

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mm i think we can put domestic cargo on hold till a320F is out no point wasting money wen we jus havta wait fr a year fr something better (and cheaper mayb) and domestic i think the a320 wil be better btw MEL wats the difference betwen CFM and V2500 engines? what about charters we planing for any crjs? bombardiers?citations? regards

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http://www.cfm56.com/

http://www.v2500.com/

Both will say they are good.Very Difficult to compare.V2500 are def more silent & CFM56 more Economical,but then difficult to tell,as with current Competition.

CFM seems to be going Ahead in the Country though.

regds

MEL

 Somebody really needs to update its information here. The QF 123/124 flights from SYD-BOM-SYD are no more direct flights esp SYD-BOM leg as the plane now stops at Darwin enroute. Secondly the plane being used is now A330-200 and not a 747-300 one of the few aircrafts with QF which needed a flight engineer. The equipment change occurred in early this year and hence a stop at DRW  was introduced.

 Guys as long as the CEO  issue is concerned. I guess we should all take that in good humour. What i say is that if u guys can start an airline just sitting on your computers and build castles in clouds as to where it will be based, what kind of equipment u guys will buy, Some enthusiast ppl have even designed a logo too, Then whats the harm in making him a ceo

Its like bolne mei kya jaata hai. There no need to go ballistic about this stuff i guess we all can take this in good humour

Charters I'd choose Global express.

regds

MEL

Nice Logo.

regds

MEL

Quoting vabby's dream of all wide-body fleet my fleet recommendations are on the first page of this thread

but its impossible to operate a wide body fleet in domestic

 Why on earth we cant use widebody jets on domestic sectors. IC has done it for the long time. Infact i remember the summer of 1989 when i had gone to Srinagar there was such a massive tourist boom in the Kashmir valley that the day we boarded back our flights to DEL there were 2 A300,s sitting on the apron..

Agreed there is need for massive mx space. But yes widebody jets should be used on all metropolitan routes like flights between DEL,BOM,CCU,HYD,Bangalore, Trivandrum. especially in the peak hours. Instead of having tiny or puny 737 or A320 flying to these cities at 1 hour gaps u just need a few flights and u are done for the day...

Howcome Japan has been able to use 747,s on their domestic flights.. What i personally reckon is that we dont have a big entrepreneur or a serious man who is willing to invest or burn his money in airline business. Everyone wants just fly couple of planes and rake in as much profits as fast as he could. And even VJM is no exception to that...

Fine earning profit is not a crime everyone has the right to make the money but then we need serious investers here.

We indians always boast about Jet Airways. What do u guys reckon can jet/QF can compete with SQ and TG. Not in atleast 20 years and if not that much time period then atleast not with those 737-800,s which he flies to southeast asia. Personally i feel NG needs to part with some really hard cash have an ideal mix of 777/A332/A333/787 and few 737,s for airports which cant be served with widebody jet.

 He needs atleast 50-70 widebody jets , be an alliance partner, good international louges, then i reckon that 9W is something. otherwise for a true rating we all know www.airlinequality.com

where 9W,IC,S2,IT all are 3 star airlines while TG a 4 star and SQ,CX,MH all 5 star airlines..

If tata-Sia would have been allowed to operate their airlines i am sure Indian aviation wud have been much better because out of all these players currently trying to grab a pie of the sky they are the ones who have got B*lls to spend money...

the_380 wrote:

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There are some airports in India which cant be accessed by B737s or A320s. U need smaller aircrafts for such sectors. Speaking of TG and MH they are much smaller countries as compared to India and hence even less investments in domestic wont affect them. So they have more funds to invest in intl. class. Besides TG operates aircrafts like B747 on BKK-Phuket sector (domestic). Reason simple there is a good load factor. But have a check on the load factor....mostly tourists and guests on vacations and holidays. So time factor is not much of importence for such people. I wudnt mind a flight whether its at 3.00PM or 5.00PM on a holiday. But it shud take me to my destination before 7.00PM thats my objective on a holiday. But in Indian cities like BOM and DEL more of business related people travel om official purposes. for this kind of category even 3.00PM and 3.30PM flights wud make a heaven and hell difference.  But an airline operating a aircraft as large as B747 at a lower frequency will cause inconvienence to this category which forms the major part of airline's customers. Otherwise if they operate a A330 type aircraft at same frequency their losses will be too much to bear. Airlines like Kingfisher, Jet, Deccan and IndiGo (etc) have one of the best executives. Do these people lack brains or are there shortage of funds to purchase largere aircrafts for them? Nothing. They have both but still they dont think of operating larger aircrafts in these routes. Airlines like CX, SQ and EK dont have any domestic operations at all. But take a look at an airline like Southwest. Their fleet has only B737s and look at the number 464! And destinations only 63. But it is still a profit making airline. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southwest_Airlines#Fleet This is the only reason for that. rgds the_380-- Edited by the_380 at 14:01, 2006-07-16

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 Mate, I knw HKT-BKK is a tourist corridor thats why i mentioned Japan where they use 747,s in high density configuration for their domestic flights. Secondly i was mentioning about using widebody jets at high density routes that is metropolitan cities especially the peak hours ie early morning and early evening dep. I guess u knw 9W uses its largest 737 ie 737-900 on DEL-BOM during these slots. I mean if there is such a massive demand for 11 flights between DEL-BOM and 9 flights between BOM-Banglore. why not use a widebody jet and boost the capacity especially in the peak hours which is when u sell most of ur tkts...

I am in full agreement that its a game of numbers. But i still reckon i have got a point. Keep the LCC out of this we are not talking about them we are just talking about full service carriers.

South west is a LCC. I guess NG said in his interview he wanted jet to be able to compete with LH and SQ so yeah thats what made me just write some titbits..

Its indeed a long way ahead