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A source in Air India Mumbai has confirmed that the seating plan for the new AI planes are:


737-800 (all winglets): 186 in economy and 7 crew. (But AI chairman has said last week that it has been decided that some planes will be in two-class which will delay the plans for the Gulf. In this case Business/PremiumEconomy will be 16 and 170 in Economy)


777-200LR First:8;                Business:35;                Economy: 195                     Crew:20


777-300ER First:4;                Business:35;                Economy: 303                     Crew:20


787-8 First: --;                      Business:24;                Economy: 234                     Crew:17


 


747-400 (after it has been refurbished with new seats, AVOD IFE in every seat and new multi-facility galleys)


First:12;                                 Business:26;                 Economy: 385                     Crew: 22


(For in-flight entertainment, Boeing Connexion may be considered in the 747s but is standard in the new planes.) 



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AI is in talks with GVK and GMR groups, developers of Mumbai and Delhi airport, for setting up of an exclusive terminal for the carrier.

AI is also planning to construct a hub control centre at the Mumbai airport to monitor the entire international operations.





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777-300ER First:4 Business:35 Economy: 303 Crew:20

Why only 4 F class seats on the ER? It's too less.

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Yeah thats what i was wondering why so less of first class seats



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Four for the 777ER? Will recheck.


 


About the 777LR, since these are non-stop flights, it may be based on the seating plan style of Singapore Airlines' A340-500. Lots of space to stretch.   


Lots of leg room as well as the grandma/grandpa brigade is expected to be an important section of passengers using the 777LR. Keeping this in mind, all the new planes are to have telemedicine/medi-link facilities on board as well. 


A new feature about the first/business seats is that they can be turned 90 degrees. The AI source was not sure whether it will be in first alone. (When Ratan Tata was invited by Air India, along with Shobha De and a few others, to try a few models of the new seats, he was supposed to have been really thrilled about this.) 


The AI source was saying this might change just like AI decided a week ago that some 737-800s are to be in 2-class. 


(The source may have been joking, but said after the way AI finally decided for Boeing ---- a million committees and meetings over the years--- Boeing now generally rechecks a hundred times with AI!!) 


 



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4 business class seats looks too less must book well in advance to fly in AI 777-300ER



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the_380 wrote:

4 business class seats looks too less must book well in advance to fly in AI 777-300ER
It's four FIRST CLASS, according to the Air India source. 

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Here it is!!!


 


http://www.indianexpress.com/story/6336.html


Air India to improve its first class seating, boost freight business
ZEESHAN SHAIKH


Tuesday, June 13, 2006 


lNew seating, on its 777 series planes, thanks to feedback from India Inc; to also invest Rs 41 crore in BIAL cargo complex building project
 
The highly competitive nature of the Indian aviation industry may be forcing airlines to cramp in as many passengers as possible. But now airlines in India are also realising the importance of catering to the segment which wants to fly in comfort and luxury.




The latest to catch on is the national carrier Air India which has now decided to go in for a new model of first class on its new 777 series planes to be deployed for long haul-flights and has also entered into a $50 million pact with Italian seat manufacturer Avio Interior for getting state-of-the- art seats for these aircraft.


The move to select these new seats comes after the carrier asked top honchos of India Inc to give their suggestions on improving the facilities and seating arrangements of first class and business class. The revamped structure of Air India’s planes and the new seats are thanks to suggestions from CEOs like Ratan Tata and Deepak Parekh.


In its efforts to improve the amenities and enhance passenger experience in long-haul flights, the airline is now planning to have only four first class seats on eight of its 301 seater 777-200 LR and 15 of its 365 seater 777-300 ER aircraft. A bulk of these aircraft will be deployed on the airlines long-haul routes to US and Europe.


Moreover, in a bid to optimise its returns from non-core operations, national carrier Air India is beefing up its cargo-handling business.


The airline, which had recently won a contract to handle cargo for the greenfield Bangalore International Airport (BIAL), plans to invest Rs 41 crore for building a state-of-the-art cargo complex at the new venture. It is also in the race for setting up a similar facility at the greenfield Hyderabad airport.


A-I, along with Singapore Airlines ground-handling unit Singapore Airport Terminal Services Ltd (SATS) and another consortium of Bangalore-based Bobba Group and UK’s Menzies Global Aviation, had won a contract to handle cargo at BIAL.


All the parties are expected to put in close to Rs 40 crore each for setting up the cargo complex. The contract entails the players running the freight-handling service for a period of 20 years from April 2008 when the operations of the airport are expected to commence.


The AI-SATS consortium are considering two options of building either a single storey cargo complex or a two level cargo complex. A-I is also seeking architectural and project management consultancy services for the project which it expects to complete in the next 18 months, senior AI officials said.


Even though cargo handling revenues for A-I are minuscule at over Rs 50 crore, the sector is expected to grow rapidly on the back of rising air cargo volume. Bangalore airport alone currently sees a cargo traffic of 1.2 lakh tonnes annually which is expected to reach over three lakh tonnes in the next three years.


A-I is expecting to complete the cargo complex—which will have state-of-the-art facilities such as automated storage and retrieval system (ASRS), lowerable workstations, cold rooms and dangerous goods room— by January 2008.



 



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Seats may be a radical new design!

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AI source refused to comment. Just said to look out!!


Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr



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Okay. Got some information


One model among the four under consideration for the 777-300ER is with some of these features: (But this is the last choice)


Electrically controlled: seat bottom depth/height; seat back recline mechanism;folding and sliding front legrest and footrest;lumbar support.
Single piece in-arm table with fwd/aft sliding movement and swivelling rotation.
Adjustable head rest (four ways); personal reading light
Fully flat inclined sleeping position (eight degrees inclination during the flight); fully flat sleeping position; side and centre armrest fully collapsible; rear seat back video installation provisioning with a 15 inch screen, in-flight-entertainment provisioning.


Complete hood and shell.


This is the basic model. An additional 10 more technological features can be added.


777-200LR will be totally different/ultra luxurious and may be a brand new design.


 


Whatever seat AI selects, let's hope they maintain them. After a month or so, most seats are fit for the scrapyard. The point is when maintaining even a standard no-frills seat is such a problem for AI, can they be upto it to look after a new generation seat? 


 


 





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With few first and business class seats, yield might drop.


Please correct me if wrong.


(Opening up a route for TKCME to start attacking).



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Flat bed seats with eight degrees angle of inclination? Why cant they provide flat beds with zero degree inclination?


Good to see AI sprucing up its premium class product!


Any news on the Business class seats?



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vivekman wrote:

Flat bed seats with eight degrees angle of inclination? Why cant they provide flat beds with zero degree inclination? Good to see AI sprucing up its premium class product! Any news on the Business class seats?


 


Upto eight degress in flight mode.


Zero degrees or flat when its time to rest or sleep.


It is a flat seat.


The info is for the Business class. First will be miles ahead.


 


But the problem is AI staff will be occupying most seats. Its their privilege. The full fare paying passenger comes second. This is a major problem in AI. Staff in first and business class..  



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An interesting thing between AI and this Italian seat manufacturer is that Pakistan International Airlines too ordered seats from this company for the 777.


Entire PIA fleet (747, A310, 777, 737) now has seats from this company


   



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maybe they put only 4 seats cauz they are not capable of handling more than 4 PAX in first!

lol kiddin!

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But seems to be strange.


On long haul flights, attracting the high yield Passenger (first and business) is the strategy.


Unless AI is planning a swimming pool-size seat with facilities in First!!!! May be place only for 4!!!  



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Naah, guess they thought that if they have lesser number of seats in First, the number of free travellers (read AI staff) will go down!

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I think the best way to try out their new products when they operate the flight between BOM-DEL on BOM-DEL-LHR-ORD/BOM-DEL--FRA etc.....


If its a night price the ticket price will be halve.


Krishna thanks a million for the inside information on the seat.


A few questions??


The 772LR will have 195 seats in economy any idea on what the pitch will be like--or will they have like TG economy at 37inch and premium eonomy at 40 inch.??


Are you sure the 77Ws will feature only 4 F class seats? thats a bit odd---or do they find no demand in F at all.


What will be the 788 bix class offering--similar to the 777s or different.


 


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Karan69 wrote:


A few questions?? The 772LR will have 195 seats in economy any idea on what the pitch will be like--or will they have like TG economy at 37inch and premium eonomy at 40 inch.??



AI is aiming for a very comfortable pitch. Still a secret. Source is refusing to reveal this.


There may be two zones of economy like that have in their 747-400s (their own). 


 


 


 


Are you sure the 77Ws will feature only 4 F class seats? thats a bit odd---or do they find no demand in F at all. What will be the 788 bix class offering--similar to the 777s or different.  


Find this strange too, but it is right. Won't this affect yield? Plz correct me if wrong.


 


787-800 Business class will be more like the IA A320 J. Very comfortable+a good IFE. AI chief Thulasidass has said it will be aimed at the premium class of Business traveller.


 



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