The landing gear was up - Airliners-India

karatecatman · Member

The landing gear was up

the_380 · Member

was there a pilot flying the AI145

i mean this is ridiculous u cant see the indicator showing that gear is down or not

that means there was no pre-landing checklist made in the flight

the pilot cud face lot of trouble for this

hats off to the tower controller for spotting the error on time.

himmat01 · Member

This news is over a year old. The pilot in question was grounded.

vivekman · Member

This is madness! It shows the callous attitude and overconfidence of the AI pilots. When you tend to do a thing over and over again, you take things for granted and forget the basics! A major disaster was averted by the controller.

The pilot should be sacked on the spot!

karatecatman wrote:
On July 24, 2005, an Air India pilot landing at Newark Airport forgot to extend landing gear and came within half a mile of crashing the 747 on its belly.

vivekman · Member

Nope, actually it is just 11 months old (July 2005)

Any idea what the name of the pilot is?

himmat01 wrote:
This news is over a year old. The pilot in question was grounded.

karatecatman · Member

This is the incident that led to AI pilots telling the media that they are under tremendous fatigue and eventually led to the issue of FDTL being debated.

The pilot was Capt. Mukherjee, who was dramatic in saying that many times he has flown fighting sleep.

D-ABTH · Member

There is a serious inside story to this incident.. which i do not have the liberty of speaking in public about. But my sources are pretty accurate.

lets just say it was more of politics and a pressure "who blinks first" game than a serious lapse.

its impossible to bring in a 744 above the runway in full landing trim with the gear up without ANY WARNING WHATSOEVER... either AURAL or OTHERWISE... a CONFIG ERROR will ALWAYS BLARE AT YOU

VABBy · Member

ANET SA is a free democratic forum. If you really want to tell the actual story this is your chance. We are not any bunch of AI admirers who cant swallow the discrepancies which happen in regards to operations in any carrier.

Please feel free and tell us what happened. Not only me but every member would like to know the real picture

Regards

Vabby

ANET SA Moderater

the_380 · Member

karatecatman wrote:

This is the incident that led to AI pilots telling the media that they are under tremendous fatigue and eventually led to the issue of FDTL being debated. The pilot was Capt. Mukherjee, who was dramatic in saying that many times he has flown fighting sleep.

let him fight sleep or sleep fight he has got the lives of 409 pax in hands and such mistake is totally unacceptable. i feel he shud be arrested for endangering lives of pax.

there was a pilot in china sentenced to 1yr imprisonment for some mistake. i dont kno exactly wat cause but this is true

D-ABTH · Member

i do understand that. believe me... i am not some ardent blind fan who pushes one side of the story either... i just believe in the truth and i say it like it is..

though i would love to post it here... i believe it is not in my best interest to do so. this after all is a public place and there are certain things that remain to be kept and shared only with those trusted and under secure conditions.

Lets just say... it was a "statement" on behalf of the forces at work behind the incident... and AI was the non-beneficiary

D-ABTH · Member

the_380 wrote:

karatecatman wrote:
This is the incident that led to AI pilots telling the media that they are under tremendous fatigue and eventually led to the issue of FDTL being debated. The pilot was Capt. Mukherjee, who was dramatic in saying that many times he has flown fighting sleep.

let him fight sleep or sleep fight he has got the lives of 409 pax in hands and such mistake is totally unacceptable. i feel he shud be arrested for endangering lives of pax.
there was a pilot in china sentenced to 1yr imprisonment for some mistake. i dont kno exactly wat cause but this is true

you say "mistake"... lol mate... believe me.... in all my knowledge of aircrafts and aviation and especially my close proximity to AI related matters... no Cmdr of a 747 can make a "mistake" like that. The aircraft simply does not allow it. 600feet above ground on final approach to the runway..... ask yourself... which aircraft in the world does not have a SANE Crew Alert System...... now realise it is a 747-400 and its even more outlandish to believe.

and AI Jumbo pilots.... they are not known to make mistakes... or even for their lack of skills....

do people seriously believe it was a mistake?? that the Cmdr of a 744 was so "overworked" that he lacked awareness at that particular crucial phase of flight? That LANDING CHECKLISTS and Confirmation of the same by the PNF wouldnt have determined the Landing Gear was not lowered?? That the Crew Alert System that has indipendent and isolated power sources failed and had no backup that it wasnt able to alert the crew the gears were not loaded in a full landing configuration??

simple questions... simple answers... the sequence of answers (if you got those answers right ;) )should tell you something :)

vivekman · Member

DABTH, all said and done, it is a fact that a tower controller "caught" the Jumbo approaching the airport with its landing gear up!

And what was the captain trying to prove by doing this? I know there are politics and pressure tactics, but with 400 passengers on board? What would he have done if the controller had not spotted it? Would he have ignored all the inflight warnings and landed on the belly? OR abort the landing and circle and come back again? What was achieved by this? The incident made the airline and the pilot look like a fool in front of the rest of the world. It surely would have made scores of passengers vow never to fly Air India again!

I simply don't buy the logic of the pilot if this was done on purpose.

D-ABTH · Member

like i said... its perfect for you to believe that its irrational... i didnt believe in it too... i thought how stupid it would be untill the person i trust ABSOLUTELY when it comes to AI... explained the events..

it makes sense when you know what i learnt.

at the same time yes..... it DOESNT TAKE ANYTHING AWAY from the alert controller.... good on him.... but the Cmdr achieved what he needed to after the stunt..

i know the fate of the flight crew of that flight.... and you will not believe the outcome of this event for them.... so like i said... take the issue with a huge spoonfull of salt...about the pilots version of them being overworked and what not

OR abort the landing and circle and come back again?

to answer it simply.... yes

-- Edited by DABTH at 07:46, 2006-06-10

VABBy · Member

See mate,

Its a simple if u cant tell the inside story to us stop defending it. Because we wont buy your argument on your face value. Either tell the inside story or stop debating on this issue and move to another topic

regards

Vabby

HAWK21M · Member

Don't believe Everything the Media Writes.

The B747 has in built Aural & Visual Warnings for Gear up Indications during Landing phase.

No way that the Warnings were Ignored without Deliberatly knowing.

Suspect The Gear extension was delayed.

regds

MEL

D-ABTH · Member

vabby wrote:

See mate,
Its a simple if u cant tell the inside story to us stop defending it. Because we wont buy your argument on your face value. Either tell the inside story or stop debating on this issue and move to another topic

regards
Vabby

cool off.... im not arguing.. nor defending.... im proposing an alternate viewpoint... nobodys tellin you to accept what i say at face value... didnt say it from the start...i always said id like to prove what i said.. but this is not the place.

you seem to be the one debating... and rightly so... your entitled to your viewpoints and they may seem even more firm given your lack of inside information on the event so i dont blame you.

maybe its better if you move on from this topic. good day :)

karatecatman · Member

PEACE
PEACE

the_380 · Member

but what was their altitude when the tower found out that the gear was up

D-ABTH · Member

read.......

“He was on five-mile final approach,” Dittamo remarked. “I saw him but I couldn’t see gear.” With his Fort Lauderdale trainer’s instructions in his head - ‘Always look for feet’ - Dittamo glanced in a different direction and then turned back to the 747 to look again. No gear. “I thought, ‘something just doesn’t seem right,’” he said. “In my mind, I said I would pick it up in my next scan. But then I looked up and the plane definitely had no gear.”

By this point, Flight 145 was on a half-mile final at an altitude of 600 feet. “I was surprised he didn’t go around,” Dittamo stated. “I was going to let it go for one more second, because this was a critical phase of the flight for the crew. But then I just said to myself, ‘I’m not going to let this go for any longer.’”

stealthpilot · Member

This is kind of old, I have the audio file- ill try and upload it
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