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An interesting piece of information. I guess it has a good amt of proofs.


Due to my relation with the speaker i cannot reveal his identity but this is what he told me:


"The merger will not take place on 'whole basis'. The main reason for AI and IC merger is for getting a higher IPO price so that both airlines can have less problems in loan repayment. The merger officially will take place only at management level. So far this is what is the decision.   Maybe the AI and IC CMDs will be appointed as Vice-Chmn and someone else will be appointed as the CMD. But this is not yet decided. The merger maybe due in somewhere around Nov. this year."


But this all is the inside talk now I have been told by the speaker that this is what will take place "pretty soon" but i still doubt the authentic proofs he gave me. It was some contacts of some people in SEBI who have been given duty to track AI and IC performence. Even they said this true. What do you think will this be true?



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Even if you doubt how genuine this is, most of the clues seem to be coming from the way the AI and IA chiefs talk.


The AI chief is "supposed to have got an extension" becuase he talked about a merger.


And IA chief Dr. Vishwapathi Trivedi is suddenly and aggressively talking of IA's new identity.   


 


Another clue is the way the IA website is being developed. It is a clear attempt to establish the new IA identity. Hardly the thing to be done if a merger is to happen. In a merger you blend. Not break away and still be talking about your new identity and future plans!!!   



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Thiruvananthapuram, Jun 9:


Air India and Indian Airlines will merge together to have single entity operations within a year and the process is on a fast track, Chairman and Managing Director, Air India, V Thulasidas, today said.


The bids for the appointment of consultants for drawing up a road map for the proposed merger had been sought and it was expected that the process would begin in six months, he said while inaugurating the renovated Air India booking office here. "Competition has increased in the Airlines industry and the merger of the two state-owned airlines is needed for its survival,'' Thulasidas said and added it would help in competing effectively with other global players. |


Earlier, Air India and the Indian Airlines ran only international and domestic flights respectively. Both of them now operate international and domestic flights and there was no need for two airlines to do the same thing, he said adding "there is no sense in keeping them as two companies.’’


However, there was no need for any apprehension about the subsidiaries that the airlines' now have, he said and added ''I expect that the merger would also come up with a subsidiary budget airlines like the Air India Express or the Alliance Air."


He said that at present both the Air India and Indian Airlines were on a process of increasing its fleet. Air India was going to buy 68 aircraft, the largest in its history, and Indian Airlines for 43. Air India was going to become one of the largest airlines in the country, he added.


Thulasidas said a merger of the two Airlines in such a situation would help to make the state owned airlines one of the best and the biggest among five airlines in Asia by 2011.


He said the Kerala Government had promised 15 acres of land for Air India's aircraft maintenance unit to be set up here.


The work for the base would be started as soon the land would be received, he said and added that it would be the second base in the country after Mumbai.


Thulasidas said in his meeting with Kerala Chief Minister V S Achuthanandan, he had stressed the point that as Air India operated more flights from Delhi, there was a need for a maintenance unit there.


Pointing out that after the India-US sector, India-Gulf was the largest revenue generation sector, he said the Air India Express, which can be otherwise called as the Kerala express, had been doing a good job by providing budget flights to the Keralities working in the Gulf. The Air India Express had run on profit for the past one year, he added.


Air India Commercial Manager K M Kurian, Air India Thiruvananthapuram Manager, H A Munaff, were among those present.
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Air-India, Indian to merge soon, says AI MD


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June 9, 2006


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THIRUVANANTHAPURAM: Chairman and Managing Director of Air-India V. Thulasidas has said that Air-India and Indian (formerly Indian Airlines) will soon be merged and made a single airline.

He has said that Union Minister of State for Civil Aviation Praful Patel has set a one-year timeframe for completing the proposed merger.

Mr. Thulasidas was inaugurating the renovated Air-India booking office in Thiruvananthapuram on Thursday.

He said that after the merger, the new airline would become the largest one in Asia. Consultants for the purpose would be appointed soon. Even after the merger, the new airline would continue to operate budget services such as Air India Express.

He said that Air-India had always maintained cordial relations with Kerala and as soon as the Kerala Government allotted it 6 hectares of land, Air-India would start work on the proposed engineering base in Thiruvananthapuram. It was the first engineering base for Air-India outside Mumbai, Mr. Thulasidas said.

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Air-India, he said, had been making profit for the last four years. Air India Express was also making profit. Air-India purchased 68 new aircraft valued at Rs.35,000 crores and Indian Airlines bought 43 new aircraft, he added.

Air-India Commercial Manager (Kerala) K. M. Kurian and Air India Thiruvananthapuram Manager H. A. Munaff were among those who attended the inaugural function.



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I guess the merged company would operate like Thai Airways. Thai Airways International for international routes and Thai Domestic for the domestic route.

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‘We are damaging each other in competition’



AI chairman V Thulasidas is on the threshold of making history. Besides helping AI earn a profit since he has been at its helm, he would oversee a path-breaking merger with Indian. The merger has to be completed by March 2007 and it would make the new entity the biggest airline in Asia.

In an exclusive interview with journalist Sanjiv Kapoor in New Delhi, Thulasidas shared the philosophy behind the speedy merger.


 


What is the real compulsion to have a merger in this crisis year?


We found that today the two airlines Air India (AI) and Indian Airlines (IA) are performing almost a similar role. There was a time when IA was the only one to fly domestic routes. AI was always in competition with foreign airlines. So these two airlines had clearly demarcated regions and at that point of time and there was no need of merger. With the opening up of the civil aviation sector, IA is now free to go anywhere in the world. AI similarly is free to fly within India. Two airlines owned by the same owner are doing exactly the same thing and the company is paying a price for that. They are damaging each other in the process of competition.


Why are they damaging you as the private players are also doing the same thing?


No, if the two airlines have the same owner then these two airlines should compete against other private airlines rather than amongst themselves. But there is much bigger competition in the huge international airlines market. The competition from these airlines is much greater because AI faces it day in and day out. The local private airlines and large international airlines market has become so huge that unless you have the latest in terms of technology, networks and the clout to face the competition you won’t survive. We are small airlines and we have 40 odd aircraft, which is nothing compared to other players in the international aviation sector. There are 500 plus aircraft airlines. We are going to become an airline of 125-150 aircraft, which is going to make us one of the biggest airlines in Asia. China has more aircraft because there are four airlines and all of them form a huge fleet.  Similarly, if we also include Jet Airways and other private carriers we become a big unit. The difference is that China is expanding and they order their aircraft in a combined fashion. A lot of airlines who work separately come together and buy their aircraft together, unlike in India. When they buy Boeing aircraft, an entire Chinese team led by the president and prime minister go to Washington to sign the deal. What we need is a larger fleet so that we can negotiate with manufacturers, hotels and suppliers. So these couple of factors provide the logic for this merger. Ministry has already come to AI asking us to engage a consultant on behalf of both airlines. The consultant needs to propose a roadmap for the merger.


So when are you going to advertise?
We have issued advertisements and are waiting for the proposals.


Did you anticipate any kind of employee unrest due to merger in IA and AI?
The indications are that employees of both airlines find merger to be as inevitable and essential as the government itself. We have had discussion with employees in AI but it was an informal discussions. Whoever I spoke to about merger agreed and said that it is required. We are at discussions with the senior management in AI and everyone said that inevitably we have to have a merger.


The most logical consequence of merger is that people are going to be off loaded.
The government has made very clear there will be no loss of employment and no loss of job.


Employees do not benefit by merger. Do they?
Employees will benefit ultimately because they will be part of much larger entity or much larger organisation. The main motive is to see that at the end of the day employees are there to see if the passengers gain. Ultimately the passengers have to gain and in this case the country has to gain. The national carrier of India to some extent should reflect the mind, strength and power of India. We need many airlines but we must have a national carrier which can truly reflect India.


What about short haul routes for AI?
That is the problem that AI and IA have to sit down and talk about it. After the merger, the consideration would be different and not which airline flies which route. Small aircraft would fly on small routes and bigger aircraft fly bigger routes.


I will give you an example of how we can gain something. Suppose four IA fly to Singapore and AI flies another four so eight flights between India and Singapore. Mostly, what happens is that their load is generally low as we are competing against each other. After merger, we don’t need eight flights and we can rationalise it to six that can carry a greater load and thus save on everything.


Do you think that this merger has also been done primarily because of the merger of Jet Sahara airlines?
Why talk only about the Jet Sahara merger? Merger and consolidation has been happening in the aviation sector for a very good reason. Lufthansa and Swiss Air have come together. Some two or three airlines in US have come together. So consolidation of merger is happening in the aviation sector because this is a business of very high costs and limited margins. There are airlines in the world that are actually losing money, especially in the US. Airlines need to just stay afloat as there is no real profit there. So in these high cost regime it makes sense to save resources, merge and consolidate.


What happens to AI Express?


Now that is something we have to decide. If you merge mainstream single airlines then we have to decide what we should do with a subsidiary airline like AI express. Indian has Alliance Air as its subsidiary. When we become one merged airline we can think of a subsidiary airline too. Perhaps, the subsidiary airline can operate internationally and domestically as a low cost airline. The main airlines can operate as a regular premium airline. That could be one way. We are also contemplating having subsidiaries for ground handling, maintenance.


The lease of three 747 lease has expired. How will you handle this short term shortage till 2007?  Aircraft these days are not easily available
Those three aircrafts have finished their lease and they have to go back. We have issued a tender and we have received some proposals. I don’t know about the details and we are on the lookout for three aircraft and of course the leasing market is very tight.

AI has a lot of old aircraft but I am not in favour of taking on lease anymore older aircraft. In fact, the 737-800 that we have taken on lease for AI express are brand new aircraft.

You had a wage revision in April?
We did it for certain categories of employees, not for all. Wage revision in a public sector undertaking is done when the company has been earning profits for the past few years. That is the guideline of the government AI has been earning profits for the last five years.



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‘We are damaging each other in competition’


its true take ur pick


IC operates anA320 to SIN in morning and within a gap of 30-40mins AI brings in an A310 both flights with less loads.


there is a flight (a B777) operated by SQ which goes full


now arent AI and IC competing each other




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Same is the case with the Bangkok bound flights. IC operates an A320 there and AI operates an A310!

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What abot Chennai to Singapore?


Earliest flight is IA's A320 at 1345 hrs.


AI A310 at 2000 hrs (some days)


SQ 777 and 747 at 1900 and 2200 hrs (some days)


Jet 737 at around 2300 hrs


IA A300 at 0050 hrs  



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After IA's new widebody search -- and they want the 12 planes for at least 7 years -- am beginning to doubt whether there is going to be a merger.


 


 


 



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After IA's new widebody search -- and they want the 12 planes for at least 7 years -- am beginning to doubt whether there is going to be a merger.      


merger can still be possible, after all the AI's new wide-bodies are not going to fill all the demand.  Moreover, why wait for tomorrow if you can do something today.


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http://www.thehindubusinessline.com/2006/06/15/stories/2006061503730900.htm


AI may pick consultant for merger tomorrow


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New Delhi , June 14

In a move that is likely to give a fillip to the proposed merger of Air India and Indian Airlines, a sub-committee of the Air India board is scheduled to select a consultant on Friday who would draw up a road map for the merger of the two state-owned carriers.

The sub-committee includes not only the Chairman and Managing Director but also the Director Finance of the two airlines.

In addition, the Chairman of ICICI Bank, Mr N. Vaghal, is also a part of the sub-committee.

The airline, which was mandated by the Ministry of Civil Aviation to seek applications from reputed merchant bankers, financial institutions and management consultancy firms for appointment of a consultant to advise on the merger, is to choose from the seven bids it had received.

"The sub-committee is likely to shortlist a consultant on Friday and the work for creating a road map for one mega airline should be ready within the next three months," official sources said.

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While officials were tight-lipped on how the merger would proceed, sources indicated that the current thinking in the Government was to complete the process through a "clean merger" rather than follow the model of having a holding company that could eventually facilitate the merger of the two airlines.

However, a final view on the way forward would emerge only after the consultant's recommendations have been approved by the Government.

The Minister for Civil Aviation, Mr Praful Patel, has already said the merger would be completed by March 31 next year.

The Ministry has also made a presentation before the Prime Minister, Dr Manmohan Singh, who is said to have given his approval for the merger to go ahead.



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More details here. AI chief Thulasidass has more information!  


Decision on consultant for AI-Indian merger likely Friday


New Delhi, Jun 14 (PTI) A decision on appointing a consultant to prepare the roadmap for the merger of Air-India and Indian is likely to be taken on Friday when a Committee set up by the Boards of the two airlines meets in Mumbai.
 The consultant, to be selected from among seven bidders, is likely to be given three months to prepare the roadmap, Air-India Chairman and Managing Director V Thulasidass told PTI in an interview here.
 The consultant would also suggest whether, how and when the public sector airlines would enter the market by issuing Initial Public Offer (IPO) to raise resources.
 However, the terms of reference for the consultant would be finalised by the respective Boards later, he said.
 The Committee set up for selecting the consultant includes the chiefs of both the public sector airlines as well as officials of the Civil Aviation Ministry.
 
Replying to questions, Thulasidass said broadly two models were being studied for the merger and whether it should be at one go or in phases.
 The models primarily being looked at were either to have a holding company for the two carriers or a clean merger. A third option was to have a holding company that would be interim to the merger, he said, however pointing out that a final decision would be taken on the basis of recommendations of the consultant.
 Asked whether proposals to hive off engineering and ground handling services of the two carriers would also be considered, he replied in the affirmative and said not only these two services, but decisions needed to be taken on the subsidiaries, Air-ndia Express and Alliance Air, too. 
 Thulasidass said Air-India’s ground handling was being done by the AI Air Traffic Services, a subsidiary, but a subsidiary for the engineering services was not in place. Similarly, Indian’s Airport Services Limited was also functioning to provide ground handling services.
 He said two other areas where subsidiaries could be planned post-merger were information technology and cargo, which could be possible in future.
 To questions on how the merged entity would address the HR concerns as both carriers had considerable number of staff per aircraft, the AI chief said: ‘‘While we strongly support the need for merger which has become a must for both the airlines, this problem has to be tackled and that too in an objective and transparent manner where interests of everyone is maintained.’’
 He said the consultant could advice on the way out.
 Asked about the contractual form of employment in Alliance Air and AI Express, he said that system could continue even after merger.
 On the amalgamation of the diverse fleet owned by the two public sector airlines, Thulasidass said the fleet would be deployed as per their size, their capacity to fly and carry load. ‘‘There should be no difficulty in deciding on how to shift pilots or deploy particular kinds of aircraft on different routes’’, he said.



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karatecatman wrote: After IA's new widebody search -- and they want the 12 planes for at least 7 years -- am beginning to doubt whether there is going to be a merger.       merger can still be possible, after all the AI's new wide-bodies are not going to fill all the demand.  Moreover, why wait for tomorrow if you can do something today. my VT-ASJ


the merger issue becomes more and more complicated day by day on Zee News an IC spokesperson said "IA capable of handling international all by itself it does not need codeshares"


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http://www.business-standard.com/economy/storypage.php?leftnm=lmnu2&subLeft=1&autono=95251&tab=r


A-I, Indian smooth flight may continue
 
Bipin Chandran / New Delhi June 16, 2006
 
 
 
Govt to go on giving the airlines additional equity support and prolonging monopoly over certain global routes. 
 
The government will continue to protect state-run carriers Air-India and Indian by giving them additional equity support and prolonging their monopoly over certain international routes. 
 
It is also contemplating organisational, managerial and financial restructuring of the two carriers. According to civil aviation ministry sources, the government is of the view that the two carriers will require a larger equity base to attract international lenders for bankrolling their aircraft-acquisition plan. 
 
Air-India’s total paid-up capital is Rs 153.84 crore and Indian has a paid-up capital of Rs 105.19 crore. The quantum of additional equity which will be infused is yet to be decided. 
 
The last Budget had provided Indian Rs 320 crore for increasing its equity. At the same time, the two carriers will need an additional equity base to meet the recent government regulation linking fleet size to paid-up equity of a carrier. 
 
For Indian, the government may also go beyond the Rs 320-crore support. “Indian Airlines will be using the Rs 320-crore support at the time of fleet acquisition. But the government is of the view that it would require a larger support than this,” said an official. 
 
The government has also decided to extend the bar on private carriers flying the Gulf region by another two years. 
 
Originally, routes to the Gulf were to be reserved for Air-India and Indian only till 2008. Sources say, route reservation would be extended till 2010 in view of the delay in the fleet acquisition plans of the two carriers. 
 
The government will also allow international airlines to enter into commercial agreements with Indian carriers for operating flights to India. 
 
This means that Indian carriers will be free to enter into marketing agreements with international airlines for operating on international routes. 
 
As per present policy, the government decides on the commercial agreements that international airlines need to enter into with Air-India and Indian and vice-versa. 
 
Some commercial aspects covered under the mandated agreements at the governmental level are: landing slots at various airports, points of operations and timing of flights. India now has commercial air-service agreements with 100 countries and carriers of 51 countries operate to India. 
 
The government will also discontinue the practice of demanding compensation from international airlines for operating to India. 


 


 


Where is the merger??? Strengthening my belief, like a few other forum members that  merger talk is only for the IPO



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AI's chief's latest interview. Flip-flop again.    
   
http://www.financialexpress.com/fe_full_story.php?content_id=130988 
THE MONDAY INTERVIEW : V THULASIDAS
 
‘Airlines can’t compete today without a critical mass and clout’ 
 
Posted online: Monday, June 19, 2006 at 0000 hours IST
 
       
 
 
 
 The merger of the two state-owned carriers, Air-India (A-I) and India Airlines (IA), is finally on the cards. But will the merged entity be able to deliver in the face of intensifying competition in the airline industry today? V Thulasidas, chairman and managing director, Air-India believes the combined entity will have the clout and the size and will offer the quality of service required to stand up to competition as he told MG Arun and Sagar Malviya. Excerpts:


Talk of a merger between A-I and IA has been on for long, but now the government seems to have finally decided on it. What is the logic behind the merger?


The idea to merge the two airlines has been around for a long time. However, there is a marked change in the environment now. Earlier, both Air-India and Indian Airlines had separate, clearly defined roles. Over the years, competition in the industry has intensified in quantitative and qualitative terms. Without a certain critical mass and clout, it is impossible for airlines today to face competition and to retain their positions in the market. Another aspect is that today, IA is increasingly becoming an international carrier, and with a liberalised policy, can fly to the US, Europe and other countries. At the same time, A-I is getting more into domestic operations. This means that both the carriers are now doing the same things and our roles are getting mixed up.


How will the merger help you compete with other airlines in such a dynamic, competitive environment?
At this moment, IA and A-I are competing against each other. But with the merger, we can pool our resources, avoid duplication, rationalise costs, save a lot of money in terms of aircraft resources, manpower, office space and so on. We can then devote ourselves to flying new routes and beefing up our flights. After the merger, we would rationalise our timings and would also reduce the number of flights to the same destinations.


What are the integration issues you foresee in this merger?


When two large companies come together, there will be a number of issues, particularly people issues. But these are not insurmountable. Also, in the merged entity, none of the employees of the two companies would lose their jobs. The merger will create the size, but public perception regarding these airlines cannot be changed overnight.


What are your plans for an image makeover?


I am aware that there are shortcomings in both the airlines and they need to get over these, independently. We are planning to take a few steps to improve our image. The national carrier of India earlier had a small fleet which did not reflect its clout and size. The fleet for which we have placed orders recently will have all the latest amenities for the comfort of passengers, comparable to those of internatio-nal carriers.


We have appointed a brand consultant to rediscover the brand. The model being followed is the A-I of the past, the airline which used to be the best in the world. The re-branding exercise would reiterate the Indian roots of the airline and would emphasise on three aspects—warmth, hospitality and tradition.


We are also planning to introduce a change management programme at all levels in the organisation to prepare ourselves for new challenges, new aircraft and new services. We are in the process of appointing consultants for this. Our employees will be trained on how to do their jobs better and be an integral part of the A-I team, absorbing these changes in a better way. Beyond training, there will be changes in terms of structure and operations to make them more efficient. Decisions will have to be taken keeping two airlines in mind, and not just one.


Why are A-I cargo operations showing stagnant growth and a dismal 10-12% share in the last few years?


As an airline, we need to improve our cargo operations. We had decided to improve it as part of our growth plan in 2004, when I joined the airline. Unfortunately, we could not do it since we did not have enough aircraft. At present, we have no dedicated freight carriers. We only have three combis which are used for lifting both cargo and passengers.


We have decided to convert two to four A 310 aircraft into full-fledged cargo freight carriers. India has an open skies policy for air cargo. Any airline in the world is free to come to India. This is good for other airlines but not for A-I, since we do not have the wherewithal. Now, with 68 aircraft being ordered, we will also have more belly space for lifting cargo.


The rising cost of aviation fuel must be a disturbing factor for you...


It is extremely difficult for airlines to manage finances in an environment where fuel prices are rising. This is not peculiar to India or A-I alone. It is an issue shared by all the airlines in the world. European carriers, by Iata’s own admission, have not been making money. Asian carriers are just about making small margins. If ATF prices continue to rise, even Asian carriers will start losing money.


Do you plan to be a part of any airline alliance?


We believe now that we should be part of an alliance. It can do us a lot of good in terms of better load and will enhance our network. I think that by 2007, A-I should be part of an alliance.
 
 


 



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I really think they should join Star Alliance.

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Thats not a good idea bith have to pay amounts which they cannot.


I feel AI is a part of something like "Zed" i dunno the name exactly.



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Thats not a good idea bith have to pay amounts which they cannot. I feel AI is a part of something like "Zed" i dunno the name exactly.


 


What amounts will those be. Do they have to meet certain standards when they join an alliance or do they pay any amount, if so what amount and why.


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Three consultants for Air-India, Indian merger shortlisted


 New Delhi, June 27 (PTI) The Air-India Board sub-committee, which is considering the appointment of consultants to prepare a roadmap for merger of Air-India and Indian, today shortlisted three consortia for the purpose.


 The final decision on appointment of a consultant is likey to be taken by the second week of July, airline sources said.


 The shortlisted consortia are Accenture with Ambit Corporate Finance; ICICI Securities in association with Deloitte Touche Dohmatsu, N M Rothschild, Centre for Asia Pacific Aviation and M V Kini; and JM Morgan Stanley and AT Kearney with Amarchand Mangaldas.


 The three parties would be given the detailed terms of reference to enable them to submit their final technical and financial bids, the sources said.


 The Board sub-committee would meet again in July second week to consider these bids and take a final decision on the appointment.


 Altogether seven parties made their presentations to the Board sub-committee yesterday and today.


 Earlier, Air-India Chairman and Managing Director V Thulasidass had said that the selected consultant was likely to be given three months to prepare the roadmap.


 The consultant would also suggest whether, how and when the public sector airlines would enter the market by issuing Initial Public Offer (IPO) to raise resources.



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