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NEW DELHI- Jet Airways is expected to add Bangkok to its international destinations. The airline is awaiting approvals to begin a daily flight from Delhi and Kolkata each to Bangkok.

Jet Airways currently flies to London, Kuala Lumpur, Kathmandu, and Colombo.

Jet has also got approval to begin the Amritsar-London service in the next two months. Also on the cards is a second Mumbai-London flight.



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Seems to me that Jet is lining up its plans to leverage all the *A hubs in the area.

It already has flight into SIN & LHR (bmi hub) and as plans go if they add BKK, MUC & ZRH. They would be in a position to use these *A hubs to provide decent connections to its passenger both into and out of India.

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Seems to me that Jet is lining up its plans to leverage all the *A hubs in the area. It already has flight into SIN & LHR (bmi hub) and as plans go if they add BKK, MUC & ZRH. They would be in a position to use these *A hubs to provide decent connections to its passenger both into and out of India.


If that's the case where do both 9W and AI end up?  Wouldn't it be wise if either of them keep some sort of association going with either OneWorld or SkyTeam.


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I hope they use a widebody jet on this route atleast and not their baby planes of 737 series. what do others hav to think do they like wide body jets or single aisle family



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  I hope they use a widebody jet on this route atleast and not their baby planes of 737 series. what do others hav to think do they like wide body jets or single aisle family


What you are suggesting makes absolute sense, but the point is what percentage of travellers do really care.  One does come across statements from passengers that certain airlines uses small planes, but not sure if they will be repeat passengers on that route.  And if they are, would prefer cost over aisle in their purchase decision.


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  I hope they use a widebody jet on this route atleast and not their baby planes of 737 series. what do others hav to think do they like wide body jets or single aisle family

9W has an order of 10 A330 (most probably A330-200) and if i m not wrong 10 B777 (i think a mix of B777-200LR and B777-300ER or just maybe -300ER) so they wil b flying these to europe about BKK i feel there is no point to operate a widebody cos even IC operates A320 and AI does the route with A310

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9W ordered the 777-300ER and I believe they stated they are not interested in the USA-India non stop flights anytime soon..... someone please correct me if I am wrong.


I completely agree, Jet needs to stop flying 737's to these cities. I also agree that most passengers don’t care what they fly. However I do believe that with their competition all flying in 330s and 777s then 9W will find it hard to make money and compete in the long run if they stick to their 737s. The Indian metro cities need to be upgraded to larger aircraft and only then will they be able to take on MH or whoever.


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9W ordered the 777-300ER and I believe they stated they are not interested in the USA-India non stop flights anytime soon..... someone please correct me if I am wrong. I completely agree, Jet needs to stop flying 737's to these cities. I also agree that most passengers don’t care what they fly. However I do believe that with their competition all flying in 330s and 777s then 9W will find it hard to make money and compete in the long run if they stick to their 737s. The Indian metro cities need to be upgraded to larger aircraft and only then will they be able to take on MH or whoever. eP007


 Well said finally i got a support from some one lol. IC is simply flying A320,s because they dont have any widebody aircraft with them. Do u remember the era when flights within metros was ruled by A300,s of IC. This is before the liberalization of the civil aviation.


I guess even today IC sometimes uses A300 on their MAA-SIN sector. The Last metro secotr where i guess IC flew their rickety A300 was DEL-HYD now its A320.


What i feel is that they are just underpinning the importance of ASEAN and Pacific market. If SQ, TG, MH can fill in their widebody planes i am sure there is a demand.


Its just that maybe 9w doesnt have the balls to catch it maybe...


See my assumption was based on a simple logic. That you are asking me to pay fares which are around what these normal good carriers charge and then u want me to travel in your puny plane which has a limited leg space. If there is just a difference of 1k-2k in jets fare and say SQ or TG or MH,s fare i guess u r not smart if u select 9W..


Offcourse unless you are on a shoe string budget then its a different ball game all together. I guess then u might fly IC. They have ****ty planes ****ty service but then prices cheap too


well Jet has ordered 10 777-300 ER.



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I agree with you totally Vabby. In fact, all airlines should deploy widebody jets for flights lasting over two hours. In addition to the increased legroom, widebodies offer more luggage space, both underbelly and overhead bins. Two aisles mean that meals can be effectively and quickly served. Also, more room to store food and drink and most importantly - more toilets!!


I noticed this for myself as Sri Lankan deploys A320s on the BOM-CMB sector (2hrs 25min) and A332s on the CMB-BKK sector (3hr). The A-332 was a dream as I could walk around, stretch my legs and enjoy the IFE as opposed to the cramped A320.


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I agree with you totally Vabby. In fact, all airlines should deploy widebody jets for flights lasting over two hours. In addition to the increased legroom, widebodies offer more luggage space, both underbelly and overhead bins. Two aisles mean that meals can be effectively and quickly served. Also, more room to store food and drink and most importantly - more toilets!! I noticed this for myself as Sri Lankan deploys A320s on the BOM-CMB sector (2hrs 25min) and A332s on the CMB-BKK sector (3hr). The A-332 was a dream as I could walk around, stretch my legs and enjoy the IFE as opposed to the cramped A320. - Vivek

but i find no point in an airline operating a A330 where you have a load for an A320 to be just full enough. but yes you must have more legroom on intl. flights

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Pal do u have the occupancy figures of flights jet operates to SIN from BOM. See if there is just a demand of for A320 why on earth SQ does double daily to BOM that too 777-300ER.


SQ must be mad if they are using a 777 on the SIN-KUL route which is just a 30-40min flight they should be using some ATR,s if they follow jet thinking and put all 777,s or route to LHR lol...


 Trust me i think they are underestimating the purchasing power of asia-pacific region...



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Pal do u have the occupancy figures of flights jet operates to SIN from BOM. See if there is just a demand of for A320 why on earth SQ does double daily to BOM that too 777-300ER


thats the difference in SQ and indian carriers



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 I guess even today IC sometimes uses A300 on their MAA-SIN sector. The Last metro secotr where i guess IC flew their rickety A300 was DEL-HYD now its A320.




It's a regular. Leaves Chennai for Singapore at 0055 hrs. Is back in Chennai at 0935 hrs. [Usually left for Colombo at 1200 hrs and back again at 1600 hrs and then did the Mumbai leg. But this has been stopped after a series of technical snags from prolonged operation] After major checking by Chennai customs for gold biscuits and drugs that could be hidden inside (we had dramatic reports of seizures in the local TV and newspapers), it is dragged across the runway for 400 metres into the hangar like an obedient cow and undergoes a major check. Is then off to Mumbai at 1725 hrs.


Back in Chennai at 2130 hrs in time for the Singapore leg again. (If it is on time, it flies quietly and slowly. Otherwise [by upto 8 hours once], there is a major racket with the pilot almost flying into the house, trying to make up for lost time. [Main technical reasons for delay usually are jammed flaps, jammed cargo door and unexplained fire warning in the cockpit. The engines are what are most reliable.] 


This flight usually connects to a series of departures to the US from Singapore. If it is late, the NRIs on board start becoming insane.) 


Other sectors are Delhi-Hyderabad, Delhi to Kolkata, Mumbai to Goa and Cochin to Sharjah (used most here).  


 


Rickety?


Jst got a certificate and medal from Airbus for the best operator of the A300 with the best despatch reliability --- 98.8 percent.


 


Try telling the IA A300 cabin crew the plane (there are 3 A300s) is rickety and you might be sent out of the emergency exit!!


Seats have got new Utkalika (Orissa Handloom Corporation -- a Government of Orissa Undertaking) green floral covers which meet FAA fire retardant standards, seatbelts that work and are new.


Everything within reach has got a thick oil paint coating. 


Also, the overhead bins don't open at will and send luggage crashing down on hapless passengers. The locks smartly click shut.


Flush the _____ and there is a thick waterfall of Harpic Blue -- Pinetree flavour.  


The outside and the windows are cleaned with chemicals and the plane looks nice for its age (26 years old)


Every single light works. PA is okay.  


 


But, OVERALL, reminds you of a large classroom with rows of wooden desks.  


 


Only scary thing is when the brakes are applied. Horrible grating sound has everything rumbling.  


 


Cabin crew actually smile (12 OF THEM) and ask how you are! Many are the new and smart lot of IA recruits.    



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will 9W be using its A330 to BKK


any news???



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Yup, saw the IC A300 landing in Mumbai just after dusk last Saturday. Sadly, couldn't click pics because of very poor light.


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>> After major checking by Chennai customs for gold biscuits and drugs that could be hidden inside (we had dramatic reports of seizures in the local TV and newspapers), it is dragged across the runway for 400 metres into the hangar like an obedient cow and undergoes a major check. Is then off to Mumbai at 1725 hrs.



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Yikes, does it smell of oil paint too??


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Everything within reach has got a thick oil paint coating.


 



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Hehe....loved this remark.


BTW, Harpic Pinetree is green in colour not blue


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Flush the _____ and there is a thick waterfall of Harpic Blue -- Pinetree flavour.



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See, that is what "rickety" means! Sorta like a MSRTC bus... Good thing that it is still airworthy


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Only scary thing is when the brakes are applied. Horrible grating sound has everything rumbling.



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Hey that's something new for Indian!!


Great! Recruit new smart crew and send them on an old aircraft!!


On second thoughts, its a good thing as the newer ones would not get to fly in an A300 otherwise


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Cabin crew actually smile (12 OF THEM) and ask how you are! Many are the new and smart lot of IA recruits.



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Great! Recruit new smart crew and send them on an old aircraft!!

Ur wrong now they r gettin new aircrafts and even though A300s are the most oldest aircrafts in their fleets it is still the most trusted aircrafts in their fleets

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