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karatecatman wrote:

The induction of the aircraft from AI Express would ensure that the parent does not have to look outside for acquiring aircraft and the subsidiary would get lease rental for an expensive asset that otherwise it might not be able to utilise.



What utter nonsense! Why did AIX order the a/c this year if now they're having doubts on being able to use them? I think it's news like this that confirms what a mess AI is really in.

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Exactly.


The 737s for AIX (on order from Boeing) are being/will be  elayed slightly as AI suddenly decided that some of the aircraft must be in 2-class.


And now the leased planes might be redone into 2-class with IFE. Additional costs.


Messed up thinking in Delhi and Mumbai.


 


Meanwhile IA is carrying on ahead with its plans. Wonder what Ernst has to say about the merger.   



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They can try to source the planes from Singapore Airlines as SQ will retire its 747 or down its 747 fleet to minimum. its a great time for AI to do a big shopping.

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karatecatman wrote:


Exactly.


The 737s for AIX (on order from Boeing) are being/will be  elayed slightly as AI suddenly decided that some of the aircraft must be in 2-class.


And now the leased planes might be redone into 2-class with IFE. Additional costs.


Messed up thinking in Delhi and Mumbai.


 


Meanwhile IA is carrying on ahead with its plans. Wonder what Ernst has to say about the merger.   



-- Edited by karatecatman at 16:30, 2006-08-29

If AIX can't use these a/c why don't they lease it to the pvt operators instead. AI / IA are the biggest threat to the aviation industry in India and need to be wound up asap whatever the cost. Its a very high price the nation is paying to amuse a few high paid employees.

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Welcome ToysKingToys! Are you based in India? How did you stumble across this site?

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If AIX can't use these a/c why don't they lease it to the pvt operators instead. AI / IA are the biggest threat to the aviation industry in India and need to be wound up asap whatever the cost. Its a very high price the nation is paying to amuse a few high paid employees.


Nothing could be more true. Unfortunately due to the stupidity of the system and the AI mgmt, all the employees and the country suffers as well.

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W.e.f. September 19, 2006, and with a last date of December 19, 2006 for interested parties to respond,


AIR INDIA wants:


On dry lease upto three aircraft B747-400 or B777-200ER for a period of two years.



On wet lease to operate its scheduled services,upto four B747-400/B747-300/ B777-300ER/B777-200ER/A340-600/A340-300/A330-200/MD-11


Lease Period and commencement date:
Upto 2 aircraft for about 11 months at earliest available date before before Dec 2006 and 2 aircraft for about 21 to 26 months at earliest available date before Dec 2006
Preferred configuration is three class configuration with 8 to 12 seats in First class, 26- 36 seats in Executive class and the remaining seats with at least 33 inch pitch in Economy class
External Painting: Aircraft to be painted in Air India livery or in full white with Air India name and Logo


and


Five A310-300/A330-200/B767-200ER/B767-300ER/B757-200.


Two class configuration with total seats 200 to 250 of which 16-20 seats with 48 inch pitch in Executive class and the remaining seats with at least 32 inch pitch in Economy class
External Painting: Aircraft to be painted in Air India livery /aircraft painted in full white with Air India logo.


 



-- Edited by karatecatman at 18:42, 2006-09-19

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(Unconfirmed) report that Air India has "managed" to avert its fleet crisis, but to a very small extent.


Supposed to be getting Air New Zealand's 747-400 (NZ B744 ZK-SUH). But this has to be confirmed properly.


It's about 11 years old.


All of Air New Zealand's 747s have upgraded cabins. No more First Class.


Cabin views of Premium Economy, Economy and Business class.


Will definitely fit in with the upgraded Air India 747-400. 


 


(Cooyright Airliners.net)


 


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So someone here help me understand this please - Why is AI is looking for wet leased 777 family a/c!!

Don't they have a bunch of leased a/c going back this winter? Which means all the crew from those should be available for the new a/c they're looking to lease..

I mean aren't they expecting a flood of the new a/c by mid next year? If they don't have the crew in place now - how do they hope to manage next year onwards??? Or am I missing something very fundamental here?

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So someone here help me understand this please - Why is AI is looking for wet leased 777 family a/c!!

Don't they have a bunch of leased a/c going back this winter? Which means all the crew from those should be available for the new a/c they're looking to lease..

I mean aren't they expecting a flood of the new a/c by mid next year? If they don't have the crew in place now - how do they hope to manage next year onwards??? Or am I missing something very fundamental here?


Bear in mind most (good %) of the crew manning these leased a/c are foreign contract pilots, so they go with the a/c. The wet lease deals might be more expensive in the short run but flexible to drop off in the event of conditions changing. And the most imp reason IMO is the GOI wants these state run airlines to grab all that they can before opening up the intl market to the pvt players, which could happen soon considering the overcrowding in the dom sector. And probably the aviation industry is softening in other parts of the world i.e. USA, ANZ , airlines there might be happy to position their ept and crew for cost price on wet lease rather than make both redundant and incurr higher re-induction costs when markets start firming up.


 



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It is confirmed that AI is taking ZK-SUH on wet lease. It is powered by GE engines unlike the other B744s. It comes with the cockpit crew and maintenance crew for regular mx. works. Major mx. works will be done by AI.

It is likely to operate on BOM-CDG-EWR sector.

I wonder what will happen to the interiors by the time it is returned to NZ.

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I wonder what will happen to the interiors by the time it is returned to NZ.

Good question maybe IFEs not working seats damaged etc etc

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It is confirmed that AI is taking ZK-SUH on wet lease. It is powered by GE engines unlike the other B744s. It comes with the cockpit crew and maintenance crew for regular mx. works. Major mx. works will be done by AI.

It is likely to operate on BOM-CDG-EWR sector.

I wonder what will happen to the interiors by the time it is returned to NZ.



Thanks for the news!!!


Since it's a wet lease, expect the Kiwis to be keeping an eye on things. (And they can have company with the other Air India Kiwi crew ---on the 777s!!!!) 


Each seat, as the pictures above show, have cost ZK quite a bit. Also, ZK-SUH was the last 747-400 to get the new cabin changeover.


Also it will be just Business, Premium Economy and Economy. No First.   





-- Edited by karatecatman at 21:51, 2006-09-25

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http://www.thehindubusinessline.com/2006/09/26/stories/2006092600020700.htm


Ministry plans to review engg dept of AI, Indian


Ashwini Phadnis





Fleet grounded due to lack of engines leading to cancellation of flights




New Delhi , Sept. 25

With the schedules of both Air India and Indian getting affected due to engineering problems plaguing its fleet, the Ministry of Civil Aviation plans to review the engineering department of the two airlines.

"We have taken a serious view of the various incidents and will examine all the issues before deciding on what needs to be done," a senior Government official told Business Line.

Officials unhappy


The functioning of the engineering department of the two airlines was also raised at the Parliamentary Consultative Committee meeting held in Kolkata recently.

At the meeting, senior Government officials and several Members of Parliament expressed unhappiness at the functioning of the department.

While over the past few months, Indian has seen a portion of its fleet grounded due to lack of engines, AI aircraft have been involved in various incidents in the past few days that have forced it to cancel its regular flights.

AI officials maintain that only some of the aircraft in the fleet were giving trouble.

"The airline has a mixed fleet of owned and leased aircraft. The owned aircraft are functioning fine. However, there could be some issues with the leased aircraft.

The management is doing everything in its powers to ensure that these issues are sorted out and least inconvenience is caused to the passenger," a senior AI official said.

Problem with combi


The airline, however, admitted that there had been some problem with one particular aircraft, a Boeing 747-400 combi, that had been having trouble despite being certified by the manufacturer recently. "There were some disruptions in the past due to the grounding of this aircraft. We are taking remedial steps by sending aircraft in our fleet, including the leased Boeing 777 and Boeing 747 aircraft, abroad for overhaul," sources said.

Indian, too, faced similar problems as several of its aircraft were grounded thereby effectively reducing its fleet strength.

After a review meeting chaired by the Minister for Civil Aviation Minister, Mr Praful Patel, the airline decided to start sending engines abroad for overhauling.

The move is expected to help the airline have its entire fleet of more than 40 aircraft in operational condition by the year-end.



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AIR NEW ZEALAND              ---           Boeing 747-400 (ZK-SUH)   

Key


    Emergency Exits
(T)     Toilet
  Bassinets



Seat Pitch
(distance between seats)

  Business Premier
Fully lie flat seat   Pacific Premium Economy
38-40" (96/101cm)    Pacific Economy
34" (86 cm)



Configuration

  Business Premier
rows 1 to 20
(46 seats)   Pacific Premium Economy
rows 23 to 27
(23 seats)    Pacific Economy
rows 31 to 68
(324 seats)


 


Air New Zealand's 747-400 seating layout.


Since Air NZ is a member of the Star Alliance, it will be a lesson for Air India on how to look after things and how things should be!!! Let's hope so!!! 



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Proposed winter schedule 2006 for Air India --- (and specifically for the wet leased aircraft). 


Note: Los Angeles seems to be very much online, though Sean says it will be offline. Thulasidass only said the frequency would be reduced.


 


WINTER 06 ROUTES OPERATED BY B744/777 ( ALL TIMES IN UTC )     
     
1 INDIA/JFK/INDIA    
     
 MON/TUE/THU/SAT/SUN BOM 2245 DEL 0035+1/0150+1 LHR 1130+1/1315+1 JFK 2055+1
 THU/SAT BOM 0140 LHR 1130/1315 JFK 2055 
 MON/TUE/WED/THU/FRI JFK 0015 LHR 0650/0845 DEL 1700/1815 BOM 2010
 SAT/SUN JFK 0015 LHR 0650/0845 BOM 1715 



2 INDIA/ORD/INDIA    
     
 MON/WED/SAT BOM 0235 FRA 1130/1330 ORD 2230 
 TUE BOM 0115 LHR 1105/1245 ORD 2115 
 THU BOM 0010 DEL 0200/0315 FRA 1200/1330 ORD 2230
 FRI BOM 0105 LHR 1055/1245 ORD 2115 
 SUN BOM 0340 LHR 1330/1530 ORD 2359 


 MON ORD 0245 LHR 1015/1145 BOM 2015 
 TUE/THU/FRI/SUN ORD 0105 FRA 0905/1035 BOM 1820 
 WED ORD 0105 LHR 0835/1005 BOM 1835 
 SAT ORD 0245 LHR 1015/1145 DEL 2000/2115 BOM 2310



3 INDIA/UK/INDIA    
     
 FRI BOM 0655 AMD 0800/0910 LHR 1830 
 SAT BOM 0315 DEL 0505/0625 LHR 1605 
 SUN BOM 0210 AMD 0315/0425 LHR 1345 


 FRI LHR 2125 AMD 0520+1/0630+1 BOM 0735+1 
 SAT LHR 1830 DEL 0245+1/0400+1 BOM 0555+1 
 SUN LHR 1620 AMD 0015+1/0120+1 BOM 0225+1



4 INDIA/EWR/INDIA   
    
 DAILY BOM 0215 CDG 1145/1330 EWR 2130
 DAILY EWR 0210 CDG 0900/1030 BOM 1850



5 INDIA/LOS ANGELES/INDIA   
    
 MON/WED/SAT DEL 0250 FRA 1135/1300 LAX 0045+1
 TUE/THU/FRI/SUN BOM 0235 FRA 1130/1300 LAX 0045+1


 TUE/THU/SUN LAX 0315 FRA 1400/1525 DEL 2300
 MON/WED/FRI/SAT LAX 0315 FRA 1400/1525 BOM 2310



6 INDIA/CANADA/INDIA (777)    
     
 MON/WED/THU/FRI/SAT/SUN DEL 0220 ATQ 0315/0445 BHX 1430/1600 YYZ 2345
 MON/TUE/THU/FRI/SAT/SUN YYZ 0230 BHX 0900/1030 ATQ1850/2020 DEL 2115


7 DOMESTIC EXTENSION    
     
 DAILY BOM 2005 AMD 2110/2220 BOM 2325 
 MON BOM 1945 HYD 2100/2215 BOM 2330 
 TUE/THU BOM 2000 HYD 2115/2230 BOM 2345 
 WED BOM 2045 HYD 2200/2315 BOM 0030+1 
 FRI/SUN BOM 1955 BLR 2125/2230 BOM 2359 
 SAT BOM 2000 MAA 2145/2300 BOM 0050+1


                                                                ***



WINTER 06 ROUTES OPERATED BY A310 ( ALL TIMES IN UTC )     
     
1 INDIA/OSAKA/INDIA    
     
 TUE/FRI/SAT BOM 1455 DEL 1645/1745 HKG 2230/2330 KIX 0240+1
 WED/SAT/SUN KIX 0400 HKG 0815/0930 DEL 1530/1630 BOM 1825


2 INDIA/SEOUL/INDIA    
     
 MON/WED/THU/SUN BOM 1455 DEL 1645/1745 HKG 2230/2330 ICN 0245+1
 MON/TUE/THU/FRI ICN 0430 HKG 0815/0930 DEL 1530/1630 BOM 1825


3 INDIA/SHANGHAI/INDIA    
     
 TUE/THU/SAT/SUN BOM 0025 DEL 0215/0315 BKK 0700/0805 PVG 1200
 TUE/THU/SAT/SUN PVG 1400 BKK 1840/1940 DEL 2355/0055+1 BOM 0250+1


4 INDIA/BANGKOK/HONGKONG/INDIA   
    
 SUN/TUE/THU/FRI/SAT BOM 2255 BKK 0300+1/0400+1 HKG 0645+1
 MON/WED/FRI/SAT/SUN HKG 0745 BKK 1100/1205 BOM 1625


5 INDIA/SINGAPORE/JAKARTA   
    
 MON/WED/SUN BOM 0115 SIN 0625/0750 CGK 0925
 MON/WED/SUN CGK 1045 SIN 1220/1320 BOM 1840


 TUE/SAT BOM 0030 HYD 0145/0245 SIN 0725
 TUE/SAT SIN 1320 HYD 1750/1850 BOM 2005


 MON/FRI DEL 0040 SIN 0605 
 MON/FRI SIN 0710 DEL 1255 


 TUE/SAT DEL 1805 SIN 2330 
 WED/SUN SIN 0710 DEL 1255 


6 INDIA/KUALA LUMPUR   
    
 MON/WED/SAT BOM 1805 DEL 1955/2055 KUL 0200
 TUE/THU/SUN KUL 0430 DEL 0950/1050 BOM 1245


7 INDIA/AFRICA   
    
 MON/WED/FRI BOM 0330 NBO 0940/1040 DAR 1155
 MON/WED/FRI DAR 1300 NBO 1415/1520 BOM 2125


8 INDIA/DUBAI   
    
 DAILY BOM 0845 DXB 1145/1300 BOM 1545 


 MON/THU/SAT BOM 0030 BLR 0200/0300 DXB 0655 
 MON/THU/SAT DXB 0855 BLR 1230/1330 BOM 1500 


 MON DEL 1500 DXB 1845/1945 DEL 2240/0300+1 LKO 0400+1
 TUE LKO 0545 DEL 0645/0815 DXB 1200/1300 DEL 1555
 WED/THU/SUN DEL 1500 DXB 1845/1945 DEL  2240 
 FRI DEL 1500 DXB 1845/1945 DEL 2240/0030+1 LKO 0130+1
 SAT LKO 0325 DEL 0425/0815 DXB 1200/1300 DEL 1555


 MON/THU/FRI BOM 0815 PNQ 0845/0945 DXB 1255 
 MON/THU/FRI DXB 1400 PNQ 1655/1755 BOM 1825 


 TUE/WED/THU/FRI/SAT TRV 0330 DXB 0730/0830 TRV 1225 


9 INDIA/ABU DHABI/MUSCAT    
     
 SUN/WED BOM 1855 AUH 2155/2255 MCT 2345/0045+1 DEL 0330+1
 MON/THU DEL 0725 MCT 1040/1140 AUH 1230/1330 BOM 1615


 FRI BOM 1910 MCT 2140/2240 AUH 2330/0030+1 DEL 0330+1
 SAT DEL 0715 AUH 1105/1205 MCT 1255/1355 BOM 1615



10 INDIA DOMESTIC  Hub & Spoke    


 DAILY BOM 2005 AMD 2110/2220 BOM 2325 
 MON BOM 1945 HYD 2100/2215 BOM 2330 
 TUE BOM 0030 AMD 0135/0235 BOM 0340 
 TUE BOM 0025 BLR 0155/0255 MAA 0340/0440 BOM 0630
 TUE BOM 2000 HYD 2115/2230 BOM 2345 
 WED/SAT BOM 1830 CCU 2045/2145 BOM 0030+1 
 WED BOM 2045 HYD 2200/2315 BOM 0030+1 
 THU BOM 0025 HYD 0140/0240 MAA 0340/0440 BOM 0630
 THU BOM 2000 HYD 2115/2230 BOM 2345 
 FRI BOM 2040 HYD 2155/2300 BOM 0015+1 
 FRI/SUN BOM 1955 BLR 2125/2230 BOM 2359 
 SAT BOM 2000 MAA 2145/2300 BOM 0050+1 
 SAT BOM 2015 BLR 2145/2245 BOM 0015+1 
 SUN/TUE/THU/FRI BOM 2010 MAA 2155/2250 BOM 0040+1 
 SUN/MON BOM 2030 HYD 2145/2245 BOM 2359 
 SUN/MON/TUE/WED/THU/FRI BOM 2015 COK 2200/2255 BOM 0040+1 
 SUN/TUE BOM 2000 TRV 2200/2300 BOM 0100+1 
 
 



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Is this the complete schedule? Seems rather limited!!!!

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Is this the complete schedule? Seems rather limited!!!!


I do not see DAC-CCU-LHR and BOM-DEL-NRT flights in this schedule.

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Can't ya read?


At the cost of repetition. This is the schedule for the wet lease aircraft. This is very clear!!! 


Separate schedule for Air India's own fleet.


  



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Can't ya read?


At the cost of repetition. This is the schedule for the wet lease aircraft. This is very clear!!! 


Separate schedule for Air India's own fleet.


  



-- Edited by karatecatman at 17:59, 2006-09-26


Please provide the schedule of AI's own aircraft as well.

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