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Jet Airways flight involved in near-collision with fighters


Rajkot, Sep 21 (UNI)


A Jet Airways Boeing 737 with 89 passengers today had a miraculous escape after it was involved in a near-collision with a formation of Sukhoi-30 air force fighter jets over the airport here. The Boeing developed a technical problem after its pilot resorted to a sudden climb to avoid the fighter jets. It was grounded after landing at the airport here and all the passengers were safe.


 The Su-30 jets were participating in the ‘‘Gagan Shakti’’ air exercise over Rajkot when the incident occurred at about 8.30 am. Though there was no official version of how the near-miss occurred, reports suggested it was the outcome of a lack of coordination between the Jet crew and the air traffic control. The Indian Air Force, in a statement issued in Delhi, said ‘‘an inquiry has been constituted to look in detail into the matter along with the Directorate General of Civil Aviation’’.


Passengers by the window seats and some cabin crew said the situation looked horrific for a few minutes.



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Jet has always had issues like this directly concerned with poor Pilot training: super hard landings, tire blowouts, runway overruns(3x), sliding off the runway (2x), engines falling off aircraft on takeoff run (MAA bound 737 VT-JAW), landing on taxiways etc....


But kudos to their media and PR divisions for managing the fallout!! Do we hear the kind of discussion that inevitably follows a flight delay on IC?


9W's pilots have a reputation for riding roughshod over ATC folks: arrogantly DEMANDING higher cruise altitudes even for short hauls, and priority landing, sometimes even faking fuel shortage etc.


 



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Part of a UNI report


Though there was no official version of how the near-miss occurred, reports suggested it was the outcome of a lack of coordination between the Jet crew and the ATC. 
 The Indian Air Force has constituted an inquiry ‘‘to look in detail’’ into the incident at Rajkot along with the Directorate General of Civil Aviation. The IAF has maintained that the IAF pilots were well aware of all traffic in the area and that the Sukhoi has sophisticated instrumentaion to detect aircraft presence for miles. At no point in time was the Jet 737 in danger.


The IAF says that it was monitoring the cockpit communication in the Jet aircraft also and was aware of the pilot's moves.    



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This is Airliners-India.net member Bhargavi's report!!


Jet Airways airliner escapes mid-air disaster



Bhargavi Kerur
Friday, September 22, 2006  00:50 IST


 
BANGALORE: A Jet Airways flight 9W 345, bound for Rajkot from Mumbai, narrowly escaped a fiery disaster on Thursday when its captain, with only seconds to spare, propelled the Boeing 737-700 out of a collision course with an Indian Air Force Sukhoi 30MKI fighter.


The passenger aircraft, having descended to 25,000 feet for landing, was just 500 feet away from the air force plane when the Jet pilot effected a sudden, life-saving ascent to 26,000 feet. The minimum distance that must be maintained between two aircraft being tracked on radar is 10 miles. The minimum vertical distance required is 1000 feet.


The pilot performed the emergency manoeuvre in response to a warning flashed by the Traffic Collision Avoidance System installed in the aircraft.


Although the 89 passengers on board were unhurt, reports from Rajkot said the sudden, powerful thrust needed for the abrupt climb may have damaged the engine.


Jet Airways CEO Wolfgang Prock-Schauer confirmed news of the near collision and said the Boeing has been grounded at Rajkot for checks.


The incident occurred at 8:30am during the IAF’s ‘Gagan Shakti’ exercise and involved a Sukhoi 30MKI formation.


Aviation sources were puzzled by the incident as the Jet plane was flying in a scheduled slot and its flight path should have been known to the IAF.


An IAF spokesman played down the incident. “We call it a proximity incident as our controlling officer on ground has witnessed it,” he said. “We are conducting an inquiry.” The directorate general of civil aviation is conducting a separate investigation.


“Prima facie reports suggest that the fighter aircraft did not pose any threat to the civil airliner as they were under the control of ground-based radar and in visual contact,” the IAF spokesman said.
 


Only correction here is that it was a 737-400.



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Another correction is that the Jet aircraft descended below the 23000 feet to 22500, not 26000

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Well guys, Hindustan Times print edition, Delhi today reported that the aircraft involved was a Boeing 707. I don't know how come they make such mistakes? Remember the incident with me....Lolz....

-- Edited by tsk911 at 18:17, 2006-09-22

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Aircraft has been grounded (i guess the crew as well), FDR & CVR removed today is what i heard. Under mumbles it was also rumoured that this might "suddenly" turn out to be the air force pilots mistake of not reporting the altitude correctly.

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9W's pilots have a reputation for riding roughshod over ATC folks: arrogantly DEMANDING higher cruise altitudes even for short hauls, and priority landing, sometimes even faking fuel shortage etc.


 





 


faking fuel shortage reminds me of the ATR incident a couple of months ago. it was not fake, it was stupid!



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Well guys, Hindustan Times print edition, Delhi today reported that the aircraft involved was a Boeing 707. I don't know how come they make such mistakes? Remember the incident with me....Lolz....

-- Edited by tsk911 at 18:17, 2006-09-22






Thats amusing to hear.... never knew 8W had 707s


Deaphen do u have the model of a 9W 707


Also noce to see articles by Bhargavi didi


Also how many people can remember the 9W 737 landing on the taxi track commanded by a lady officer in Goa about 2-3 years back?


By the way i have an incident to relate on a 9W 737 can i post it here or in another thread... Its not linked to it


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http://www.ibnlive.com/news/21-nearmisses-in-05-and-counting/22226-3.html
21 near-misses in '05 and counting

Karma Paljor
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Posted Friday , September 22, 2006 at 20:33

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HIGH-FLYING FEARS: With aviation industry growing at 25 per cent every year, fears of collisions are bound to rise.









New Delhi: The Jet Airways Boeing aircraft and two Sukhoi fighters flying over Rajkot had a close shave on Thursday.



The Jet aircraft was just 500 feet away from the Air Force plane when the Jet pilot made a sudden ascent to 26,000 feet. Earlier this week, a Jet Airways plane flying from Rajkot to Mumbai had another near miss with an Air Force jet.



The Air Force is in the middle of its biggest air exercise in the last 4 years. Sources say lack of information sharing between civilian and military air traffic controllers can lead to more near misses.



Aviation in India has been growing at 25 per cent every year and with newer airlines being added, the problem is bound to rise. The skies over North India are particularly vulnerable, since the Air Force controls over 70 per cent of the airspace here.




Air traffic controllers blame the lack of coordination with the Air Force for the near misses. "I admit there is a coordination problem between the ATC unit of civil and adjacent airforce units. So many times, it creates a critical situation," says former General Secretary of the ATC guild, R K Singh.



In January last year, an Air India plane had a near mishap, coming dangerously close to an Air Force Sukhoi jet.















The Jet aircraft was 500 feet away from the Air Force plane when the Jet pilot made a sudden ascent.



There have been several attempts to make civilian and Air Force controllers work in tandem. But it hasn't been a very successful exercise so far.



"We are going in for better communication systems and we are also looking at joint trainings so that both the civil as well as military airliners understand each other's work culture," says the spokesperson Air Force, Wing Commander Mahesh Upasani.



Aircraft movement has doubled in the last three years and so have near air misses - from 13 in 2003 to 21 in 2005 and most of these don't involve military aircraft.



But with the sector growing at such a furious pace, coordination with the air force will be key, as they still control a major portion of the Indian skies.



 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
The person who has written this story is the CNN-IBN sports presenter!!!!  

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http://indiaenews.com/2006-09/23337-begins-probe-midair-near-collision.htm


Air force begins probe into midair near-collision

 Friday, September 22nd, 2006


New Delhi - The Indian Air Force (IAF) has begun a probe into midair near miss between two of its combat jets and a commercial airliner on a domestic flight, officials said Friday.


‘The aim of the inquiry is to find out exactly what happened and to fix responsibility to ensure that such incidents don’t recur,’ an IAF officer said, speaking on condition of anonymity.


The incident, involving two IAF Sukhoi Su-30 fighters and a Jet Airways Boeing-737, occurred Thursday morning. The Boeing was preparing to land at Rajkot airport in Gujarat while the IAF aircraft were participating in a major aerial exercise.


According to an IAF statement, ‘the incident took place at about 0830 hrs and involved flying of an IAF fighter formation in proximity of the civil airliner.


‘Prima facie reports available suggest that the fighter aircraft did not pose any threat to the civil airliner as they were under the control of ground based radar and in visual contact. However, an enquiry has been constituted to look in detail into the matter along with Director General of Civil Aviation.’


 


Details of this IAF air exercise are in the Military Aviation section. It's funny that civilian aircraft are anywhere near the area especially as so many military aircraft are involved. The exercises are right across the day.  



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Now I know that 9W does not have any 707s but I haven't heard of an airline called 8W!!!


lol.....just pulling your leg, 380


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Thats amusing to hear.... never knew 8W had 707s


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faking fuel shortage reminds me of the ATR incident a couple of months ago. it was not fake, it was stupid!




Which incident was this? Time and other details?

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