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                                                                      EXCLUSIVE


                                                    ALSO TO AIRLINERS-INDIA.NET


                                                   (September 1, 2006)


(Based on information from source in Air India)


"       Air India has planned to operate direct flights between Delhi/Mumbai to New York, Newark and Chicago (DEL, BOM and JFK, EWR, ORD) from the first quarter of 2007 with brand new B777-200LRs. Estimated date of service is the first quarter of 2007.


"Air India has planned for cross-polar operations and will be venturing over new territory, making it a first for any airline. This will be a 180-minute ETOPS operation. Passenger and cargo will be at maximum limits. Primarily, these flights may take routes over northwest Russia and Finland, as distance-wise, these will be shorter routes. In the case of Polar operations, these flights may use flight tracks G489 and G490.


"The next phase of operation would be between India and the west coast of the USA. These flights will invariably be over-the-Polar-Region or over-Pacific routes.


"The Airports earmarked for en route diversion are:
a. Norilsk (UOOO), Novosibirsk (UNNT), and Krasnoyarsk (UNKL) meet the RFF category of minimum 8 for B777-200LR aircraft. However, the runway strength of UOOO is PCN 47/R/A/X/T. The strengths of other airfields are higher.
b. Tiski (UEST) (RFF 6, R/W 03/21 9022 ft, Strength PCN 50/R/B/X/T),
Mirny (UERR) (RFF 6, R/W 06/24 9186 ft, PCN 45 R/A/W/T).
c. Pevek (UHMP) (RFF 6, R/W 17/35 8202 ft, PCN 23 R/A/X/T).


"The serviceability of airports in the polar region will have to be confirmed by Russian authorities and the Confederation of Independent States to Air India prior to flight. Considering the duration of the flights (14-15 hours nonstop), there must be accurate weather information of the en route diversion airport, update on en route weather, NOTAMs, etc.
"Except the airports mentioned in item (a) above, other airports have limitations on RFF, R/W Strength, etc.
Air India will also need temperature charts and accurate information on solar activity: Because these are crucial while planning the route. Air India will also get this information from the  Russian defence authorities. It must be noted that much of these routes will be over inhospitable terrain that experiences extreme (cold) temperature and for a considerable period of the flight. 


"Air India must also be informed of the special procedures set up for lack of communication especially from late afternoon/night.
Available en route diversion airport services, while planning 180-min. ETOPS flights on these routes.
Temperature and weather information on the Polar routes.
Information on solar activity interfering with communications.


"Important: Assistance in passenger recovery, especially at night. This will be in operation with the Disaster Recovery Plan Air India has put in place for the American region.


"Air India's 777-200LRs have very advanced navigation and communication equipment, with facility for satellite data transmission. Some of this equipment may be used to enhance navigation using satellite navigation systems planned over the Russian/Chinese region. 
Air India will also be coordinating information with other airlines that have worked out route structures over the Polar and Pacific regions."


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"    The Russian Air Traffic Management (ATM) system is a branch of the global air navigation system in the  European  region.  It  covers  the  territory  of  nearly  25  million  square  kilometers  both  in  the sovereign airspace and over the High Seas areas.
 
 
"This route system consists of 4 main ATS routes such as


Polar 1 for flights between the central part of North  America  and  India/Pakistan, 
Polar 2  for  flights  between  central  and  eastern  parts  of  North America and Asia.
Polar 3 for flights between central and eastern parts  of  North  America  and  China/Asia. 
Polar 4  for  flights  between central/eastern  parts  of  North  America  and  China/Asia and  a  large number of link-routes.   
 
"The distance saved compared to non-Polar routes could be as much  as  one  thousand  miles,  while  the  time  saving  will be more  than  two  hours  (2  hours  15 minutes).
Air India flights to America will now be at least 2.5 hours shorter than if on the normal routing and will suffer minimum payload restrictions. 
 
 
"The Crosspolar routes are presently used by seven airlines on the regular basis: United Airlines (UAL), Air Canada (ACA), Continental Airlines (COA), Cathay Pacific Airways (CPA), Singapore  Airlines (SIA), Air China (CCA) and Thai Airways (THA). In July 2005, the  Boeing  Company made  a  ferry  flight  on  the Boeing  777-200LR  from Mumbai (Bombay) to San-Francisco using Polar 2 route.
Other interested airlines are Emirates, China Airlines, Asiana, Korean Air and EVA Air.


"Air India will however be a pioneer in some of the new routes planned. One such new route planned where the entry/exit point will be VAMOL (5022.5 N 10452. 5 E) at the Russia/Mongolia border between LETBI and SERNA. This link-route will generate significant cost savings for the airlines concerned by enabling maximum possible payload, mileage, flight time, and fuel burn.


"United  Airlines  currently  operates  the  following  flights  on  Crosspolar  routes:  Chicago-Hong  Kong, Chicago-Beijing,  Chicago-Shanghai, Chicago-Kansai,  Chicago-Tokyo  and  New-York-Tokyo. United will be sharing data with Air India on this.
 
"A shorter routing from North America to India and Pakistan  is being planned by Air India at AKATI/LANOR, which is the entry  point to Kazakhstan.


 
"Note: Compulsory reporting will have to be done by Air India flight crew (a planned 2-set crew operation = 4 flight crew) to the Russian ATM every 25 minutes. A shorter time period for reporting will be in force during evening/night."


 















-- Edited by karatecatman at 16:37, 2006-09-02

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awesome..............

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Amazing the way man, machine & technology are converging to provide a short and safe flight

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Whoa thats great AI crossing the North pole

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Great information.But how many 777 are they going to get next year?


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Is AI recruiting in the Future.


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Is AI recruiting in the Future.


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Well be postive MEL i think they will be needing more people in the future as the ratio of their  increase in fleet is much more to the current employees.


Can someone please tell me the max. range and airspeed of the 772LR and the 773ER with full payload?



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This is a great post! I hope that AI also publishes this info in the public domain in the time to come.

That being said, I shudder at the thought of being stranded in some cold siberian airport in case of a passenger situation or emergency!

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That being said, I shudder at the thought of being stranded in some cold siberian airport in case of a passenger situation or emergency!



Well lets hope that doesn't happen otherwise u'll have to eat ur dinner with the polar bears

-- Edited by the_380 at 17:10, 2006-09-03

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The Airports would have centralised Heating Just pray the Back up Gen does not breakdown.


Maybe sometime I could tell you tales of Maintenance Difficulties in Freezing climates


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the_380 wrote:



Nimish wrote:

That being said, I shudder at the thought of being stranded in some cold siberian airport in case of a passenger situation or emergency!



Well lets hope that doesn't happen otherwise u'll have to eat ur dinner with the polar bears

-- Edited by the_380 at 17:10, 2006-09-03



Let us hope that the polar bears, dont decide to have you as their dinner either

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the_380 wrote:



Nimish wrote:

That being said, I shudder at the thought of being stranded in some cold siberian airport in case of a passenger situation or emergency!



Well lets hope that doesn't happen otherwise u'll have to eat ur dinner with the polar bears

-- Edited by the_380 at 17:10, 2006-09-03



Let us hope that the polar bears, dont decide to have you as their dinner either



Total agreement sirji

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Great information.But how many 777 are they going to get next year?




 


if everything goes as per schedule AI will get 16 aircrafts out of the 68 new ones that have been ordered in 2007


10 AIX 737-800s


3 AI 777-200LRs


3 AI 777-300ERs


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-- Edited by Karan69 at 14:54, 2006-09-06

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Are the B738s with Blended Winglets.


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If im not wrong then yes

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Are the B738s with Blended Winglets.


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Yes. The press release by Boeing is in a thread.


Some of the 737s will be in 2-class also.  



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Makes sense considering the Routes.


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Here is part of the release:


Boeing, Air India Celebrate Order Agreement for 68 Jets; Largest Commercial Airplane Order in India's Civil Aviation History


  • Order includes 777s, 787s and 737s for fleet renewal and expansion
  • Boeing commits to investing in maintenance, repair and overhaul base, and training facility in India

Boeing Commercial Airplanes in Air India livery image (Neg#: K-63561) 
MUMBAI, India, Jan. 11, 2006 -- At a signing ceremony held today at Air India's headquarters, Boeing [NYSE: BA] Commercial Airplanes President and CEO Alan Mulally and Air India Chairman and Managing Director V. Thulasidas formally announced an order agreement for 68 airplanes. The order, placed with Boeing in December 2005, is valued at more than $11 billion at list prices and deliveries are scheduled to begin in November 2006.

Air India's order consists of 23 777s, including eight 777-200LR (Longer Range) Worldliners and 15 777-300ERs (Extended Range), and 27 787-8 Dreamliners. Air India Express, a wholly-owned subsidiary of Air India, will receive 18 Next-Generation 737-800s.


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Known for its reliability, fuel efficiency and economical performance, the 737-800 has been selected by leading carriers throughout the world. Air India is one of these distinguished airlines. The 737-800 with Blended Winglets, which is 1,550 pounds lighter, can fly 260 nautical miles farther, 1,900 feet higher and burn 6 to 8 percent less fuel per seat while carrying 12 more passengers than the A320.



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