Aviation bubble or not - Airliners-India

HAWK21M · Member

Aviation bubble or not

Aseem · Member

HAWK21M wrote:

Will the Aviation Bubble in India Burst or not

not decided about the choices as I don't forsee bubble burst, but definately some consolidation and cancellations. Whatever it maybe, but won't be bubble burst the kind we saw in 90s.

rgds

VT-ASJ

the_380 · Member

HAWK21M wrote:

Will the Aviation Bubble in India Burst or not

yes but this time the players have come wid gud investments

karatecatman · Member

Who will be there: AI, IA and Air India Express, Jet - Sahara (renamed as Transjet), Spice jet, Kingfisher.

Jagson may be a fighter (has got over management team from Jet and Sahara and has ordered 20 A320s.

But the big surprise for all might be IndiGo as it has got 100% Airbus backed training centre (exclusive to it, and a first in Asia) and is to have a 100-A320 fleet.

The losers: Air Deccan may be shaky. Paramount is on the way out but after struggling for a long time.

Yamuna Airways, Visa Air and Air Mysore (to be started by the Mysore maharaja) and another three more --- let's watch.

-- Edited by karatecatman at 18:36, 2006-06-04

the_380 · Member

wow i guess wid so many airlines the next time i gotta fly somewhere i ll tell my watchman to go and get me a flight...lol

vivekman · Member

I think Air Deccan will survive. As of today, it touches more cities than even Jet Aiways & Indian! Its low cost model is a crowd puller and Deccan flights always have a high occupancy. Air Deccan will continue to pull crowds who would have otherwise travelled by trains!

HAWK21M · Member

When Is Indigo Joining the Race.

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MEL

the_380 · Member

vivekman wrote:

I think Air Deccan will survive. As of today, it touches more cities than even Jet Aiways & Indian! Its low cost model is a crowd puller and Deccan flights always have a high occupancy. Air Deccan will continue to pull crowds who would have otherwise travelled by trains!

its not of connecting cities more important how well you connect them because there is even competition in low-cost Go Air has ordered 10 A320s and leased more than that as on 11th June they have 4 leased A320s with them Spice Jet though with a smaller fleet is doing better

so its gonna be difficult for Deccan to withstand besides if IndiGo does well they'll be in deep trouble

and to add fuel to the fire DN has problems with IPOs during stock markets going down

VictorTango · Member

The best part about the market right now is that both Premium as well as Low-Cost carriers can survive. The earlier perception was that the LCC's would milk the Premium carriers dry. That hasn't happened. Which I think is a great sign. Kingfisher's (IT) success and it's introduction of First class only confirms it. But I wouldn't call it a bubble burst. Practically speaking some carriers may fall by the wayside. Especially those with poor capital and planning. I believe DN and Paramount (I7) have already begun to feel the heat. We need to remember that 9W survived the 1995-96 catastrophe only because of amazing strategies. NG's got terrific business acumen. S2 survived (for a while) only because of strong financial backing. Poor planning and unprofessionalism killed it.

DN has to clean up it's act and quickly. I think most airlines are wary about what happened in the 90's and so will be threading carefully (atleast I hope). Inspite of being a late starter, Indigo's seems to be super confident to have placed firm orders for 100 A320's.

There seems to be a lot of scope for regional carriers in a few years. These carriers can survive by tying up with mainline carriers on feeder routes (like the US aviation market). IMO in a few years the market would perhaps look like this....3/4 premium carriers, 4/5 LCC's, 6/7 regional carriers.

All in all, I think 9W, IC+AI, IT, 0S, G8 would survive. Add to that a few regional carriers. Others I'm not too sure of. Just my

Olly

HAWK21M · Member

Amazing Still no Big Domestic Cargo Entrants yet Apart from BDA/DHL.Recently FFC has announced with Turboprops.

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MEL

the_380 · Member

what abt GATI

VictorTango · Member

HAWK21M wrote:

Amazing Still no Big Domestic Cargo Entrants yet Apart from BDA/DHL.Recently FFC has announced with Turboprops. regds MEL

What happened to Chennai based Crescent Air? They were supposed to fly by April end with 3 Fokker 50's. They had plans for international ops by next year as well with wide body freighters.

Olly

Akshay · Member

The bubble will surely burst. There are too many airlines around. Jet-sahara, Kingfisher, Spicejet, Deccan have chances of survival

Akshay

the_380 · Member

sahara is already half dead

HAWK21M · Member

Cresent Air used to fly their F50 Intermittently.I guess they struggled with Loads.

For Cargo to work One needs a Good Support system & Ground Network.

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MEL

VictorTango · Member

HAWK21M wrote:

Cresent Air used to fly their F50 Intermittently.I guess they struggled with Loads. For Cargo to work One needs a Good Support system & Ground Network. regds MEL

So MEL have they shut shop?

Olly

HAWK21M · Member

Not Officially.But the Aircraft is not Flying last Few months.

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MEL

the_380 · Member

So unofficially they have stopped

HAWK21M · Member

To run a sucessful Cargo Airline one needs an Effective Ground Network.

Else its very tough.

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MEL

VABBy · Member

Only those airlines with strong financial support will survive. Personally i feel The aviation bubble is more tended to get bursted if the infrastructure at the airports remains constrained. I believe we are a 100 billion people nation and there is plenty of money to be made subject to airport expansion at all the major airports...